Talk:Foreign policy of the Lyndon B. Johnson administration

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Churchill Funeral

I think that the Churchill funeral was a low point in foreign policy with Britain during the Johnson administration. He was criticized for not having Hubert Humphrey lead the U.S. delegation to the funeral in London by the British news media and he had not been forgiven for his failure to send Humphrey to the funeral. Can we add details about his failure to send Humphrey to the funeral as a low point in US-UK relations during the Johnson years, as it led to a barrage of criticism against LBJ, both home and abroad. SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 (talk) 04:22, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, two or three sentences, but just the facts without the superlatives, would work, especially if LBJ's dislike for Wilson, can be tied in. They could say something like: The strained state of US-UK relations during the Johnson's presidency was on full display following funeral of Winston Churchill in January 1965. Rather than having Vice President Hubert Humphrey lead the U.S. delegation, Johnson sent Secretary of State Dean Rusk instead. This perceived slight generated much criticism against president, both in the UK and here in the US. Drdpw (talk) 22:23, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

APPROVED with some minor changes. Had to mention that Johnson was sick and barred from attending. In addition, it was Rusk that led the delegation to the funeral. SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 (talk) 01:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just want your thoughts on what is said about the Churchill funeral being a low point in foreign policy with Britain during the LBJ administration. SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 (talk) 13:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the claim is poorly backed up by speculation in the daily press. Not good enough for a major event that happened a half century ago. Historians write about the big issues and this funeral episode does not get a single sentence in Kathleen Burk's two books on UK-USA (1997 and 2018), nor in the Dimbleby & Reynolds (1988) --they all talk at length about the bad relations under Wilson-Johnson and all emphasize the weak pound, "east of Suez" and especially Vietnam. other scholars note the real reasons for the bad terms: Sylvia Ellis, Alan Dobson, John Young, Ritchie Ovendale, Robert Hathaway, and John Dumbrell. So let's drop the little anecdote. Rjensen (talk) 14:00, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We're ending the discussion on this. All the contents and edits in the article have been APPROVED. ~~Drdpw and~~ I APPROVE the edits. SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 (talk) 19:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me but, you have neither the power to APPROVE the contents and edits in the article nor to speak for me anywhere on Wikipedia. Please refrain from doing either in the future. Drdpw (talk) 20:45, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but let's end the discussion, on this, as I like the wording. I've even copied it to the relevant pages. SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 (talk) 22:35, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to resume the discussion. Can we mention that Johnson said during a press conference that that not sending the new vice president to the state funeral was a "mistake." (Humphrey had just taken over as vice president when Churchill died) SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 (talk) 23:55, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Doing so would add nothing substantive to the paragraph. Drdpw (talk) 23:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 (talk) 01:40, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No Meeting Between LBJ and Queen Elizabeth II

LBJ was the only president never to meet Queen Elizabeth II. The most significant missed opportunity for the two to meet was at Churchill's funeral. Can we add this information? SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 (talk) 13:39, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Only if there is a recent secondary source, such as one during the past few months reflecting on the relationship QEII had with the various U.S. presidents over the course of her reign, mentions it. Drdpw (talk) 21:42, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was able to confirm that the most significant missed opportunity for LBJ to meet with Queen Elizabeth II was Churchill's funeral. I got those details from Sally Bedell Smith's book about the queen and Johnson had made arrangements to meet with the queen privately at Buckingham Palace after the funeral. SnoopyAndCharlieBrown202070 (talk) 21:01, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]