Talk:Françoise Mouly

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Review: February 10, 2015. (Reviewed version).

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Françoise Mouly's Birth Date[edit]

For a long time, Mouly's birth date was not included in this article. I discovered it in some official documentation and edited the article to include it (all of which is a matter of public record). However, my edit was reverted on the grounds that it was uncited. As it turns out her birth date can also be found on Page 292 of her husband's 2011 book Metamaus, which is available to be seen by anyone on Google Books. Anyway, I offer my apologies to the community for not having come to the talk page sooner; but please rest assured my information was never based on hotbirthdays.com or any such dubious "authority" but from genuine documentation. My only intention was to improve the quality of this article with basic vital information that was always, I thought, strangely absent.

Reduction of ToonBooks material[edit]

The majority of the material in this section was an unnecessary echo of material in the ToonBooks article. As the awards cited went to the entity "ToonBooks", that article is the proper venue for such detailed material.

On the whole, the article, especially in this section, is overly PR-ized. Careful and conscientiously objective editing will improve all sections. JTGILLICK (talk) 02:07, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Françoise Mouly/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 16:55, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'll take this one. Should have this to you within a day ☯ Jaguar ☯ 16:55, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. Has an appropriate reference section:

B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
Overall:
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Initial comments[edit]

The Occupation list in the infobox should be in commas and the first word (publisher) should be capitalized
Capitalized publisher; {{Flatlist}} is given as an alternative to comma-separatde lists in WP:FLATLIST; flatlists are more semantic and more accessible than comma-separated lists. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Should there be a hyphen in "English-language"?
- Yes, as a compound modifier of "comics". Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"The French government has decorated Mouly as a Knight of the Order of Arts and Letters" - I would lose the has as it makes it sound present tense!
- Dropped it. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The lead could be expanded a little in order to summarize the article better. A few mentions of her recognition and work would make it comply per WP:LEAD
"She grew up in the well-to-do 17th arrondissement of Paris." - what does this mean??
- It's supposed to express that she grew up in a relatively wealthy part of Paris. Does that not get across? Or is it "arrondisement" that's causing the problem? That appears to be the word that's used in English as well, but I'd welcome a clearer way to word it. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"The French government made him a Knight of the Legion of Honour" - when was this? In her actual early life?
- I'm surprised at how difficult it is to track this date down. There is no lack of sources that say he got it, but even the Legion of Honour's website doesn't seem to maintain a list (not one I can find, anyways). Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"The events led to Mouly's mother and sisters fleeing Paris" - her mother's sisters or her sisters?
- Wouldn't "her" make it "her mother's sisters"? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry, yeah you're right! I was thinking straight! ☯ Jaguar ☯ 14:34, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Mouly arrived in New York September 2, 1974, with $200 in her pocket" - informal?
- Dropped. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In some instances in the Raw Books section, 'Raw' is both italicised and un-italicised. Which should it be?
- When Raw refers to the magazine, it is italicized; when Raw refers to the compnay, it's not. To make it clearer, I've changed the unitalicized instances to "Raw Books". Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"It was not without its critics, who charged it with being highbrow and elitist" - criticism, and who were the critics?
- This would be quite the list—it was a very generally held view in the comics community. I've thrown in another citation to back it up. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Four blocks from Ground Zero, daughter Nadja" - it would be okay to lose 'daughter' here as she was already mentioned earlier
- I'm not quite so sure—the children aren't particularly prominent in the narrative, so it can be easy to forget who these names refer to. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Am I right to assume that the "Works cited" section should be "bibliography"?
- No—in articles about people who have published books themselves, "bibliography" normally refers to the list of books they themselves have written. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

On hold[edit]

Not a bad article, I like it. The only problems I could find with it are a few prose issues and the lead section is lacking content, but other than that it is pretty comprehensive and the references all check out. I'll leave this on hold for the standard seven days until they are all out of the way. Thanks! ☯ Jaguar ☯ 17:54, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Close - promoted[edit]

Thank you for addressing them, I also learned a few things along the way too. The lead summarises the article well and the rest of the article is also well written, enough to make it meet the GA criteria. Well done ☯ Jaguar ☯ 14:36, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]