Talk:Frank Sinatra Jr.

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Frank Sinatra Jr. had two middle names, Wayne and Emmanuel. Emmanuel was for his godfather, Manie ("Manny") Sacks. This is mentioned in Nancy Sinatra's book (although with the wrong first name, Franklin). See these posts at Sinatra Family Forum: http://sinatrafamily.com/forum/showthread.php?p=841832#post841832 http://sinatrafamily.com/forum/showthread.php?p=841833#post841833 http://sinatrafamily.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1229809#post1229809 http://sinatrafamily.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1230097#post1230097 Someone keeps reverting an edit to this effect. I am new to Wikipedia editing and do not know how to make the correction with proper citations. Bob F Boston (talk) 22:45, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't get the reference to Emmanuel and the mentor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.9.18 (talk) 00:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This page had been hacked. I removed the specious reference to Lendurinn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.123.224.20 (talk) 05:57, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Burns, Baby Burns[edit]

In the Simpsons' episode "Burns, Baby Burns" seems like Larry Burns' fake kidnapping to get his father attention could be based on on Frank Sinatra Jr's. Should this be mentioned in the article?

Norum (talk) 00:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


No. If you check the TruTV reference, you'll see that both Sr and Jr will grilled on the stand by a defense attorney who wanted to implicate either of them in the crime; with the conviction, the jury rejected that defense. Unless you can find a reliable source that relates the Simpson script to the crime, for the Wiki to imply that the Sinatra kidnapping was faked by the Sinatras would violate policy. Bustter (talk) 23:19, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The kidnappers's prison terms[edit]

The source states that "Keenan and Amsler got life plus 75 years, and Irwin got 16 years," yet in the article here the prison terms are described as short. Does anyone find this strange? It is stated that all of them got out earlier, but not because of the original decision.--84.149.24.238 (talk) 00:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The sentences were long, the actual terms that they served were short. cited references explain further. Also, I removed a citation needed template relating to rumors of Sinatra's involvement in the kidnapping, as the TruTV reference, cited earlier in the text, does cover this, stating that the defense grilled Sinatra and Junior on the stand in an effort to implicate them in the crime. The jury rejected this by finding the defendants guilty. It could be more accurately phrased but the present content is supported by that article. Bustter (talk) 23:08, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Son of his first wife?[edit]

How can he be the son of his first wife .... -____- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.148.159.250 (talk) 11:10, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Changed word order to clarify to whom the possessive pronoun refers. Would have been easier for you to do it, instead of posting on the Talk page. Bustter (talk) 23:28, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Section for his hits.[edit]

How about we include a section for his hit singles? 50.160.195.185 (talk) 07:49, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If there's a reliable source and notable instances, you are welcome to create it.

.television producer Tina Sinatra.[edit]

Imdb shows as many acting credits as producing credits, and her producer titles likely have more to do with overseeing Frank Sr.'s proprietary rights than any routine production duties. There are not enough credits in any category to deem any one thing a career; I think her primary career is "Sinatra heiress." Shall we change it to just Tina Sinatra, without career reference? Bustter (talk) 23:42, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life[edit]

The Alabama Star Ledger article about Frank Sinatra III misconstrues the Washington Post article that it links to with respect to Frank Sinatra Jr's son, because it obviously confuses Frank Sinatra III and Michael. The Guardian article linked only cites unnamed "various online sources" as sources, but takes no position of its own, about Frank Sinatra III, although it is probably a sufficient source for Frank Sinatra Jr's denial. The Star Ledger article also links to TMZ and People articles that do identify Frank Sinatra III as Frank Sinatra Jr's son, so that if the Frank Sinatra III material is sustainable at all, the links here should probably be directly to those articles.Arnold Rothstein1921 (talk) 11:46, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the references, except the one in The Guardian where Frank Jr. denies the rumors. Somewhere out there, there should be an investigative story detailing this, or maybe somethning in a Frank Sinatra biography?Arnold Rothstein1921 (talk) 12:57, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Despite claims to the contrary, all credible sources list that Frank Sinatra Jr. is survived by one son. This includes: the NY Times[1], the LA Times[2], The Washington Post[3], along with many others.

What about legal documents? Why were references to the New York case which proved Frank Sinatra III's paternity removed from this article? And having been proven by a paternity test and declared in a court of law, why does the article still not reflect the fact that FS and. Had at least two sons? The only thing the media references prove is that FS Jr. denied that he was Frank Sinatra III's father, however someone keeps changing the language of the article to suggest not only that his denial equals fact, but questions whether Frank Sinatra III was ever born at all? It's starting to sound like someone is skewing the article for personal reasons and makes the whole thing sound suspicious. Jeremiahshack (talk) 16:37, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"All credible sources?" Legal documents aren't a credible source? Jeremiahshack (talk) 16:39, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Frank Sinatra Jr., Singer Who Followed in His Father's Footsteps, Dies at 72".
  2. ^ "Singer Frank Sinatra Jr. dies at 72".
  3. ^ "Frank Sinatra Jr., faithful keeper of his father's flame, dies at 72".

Not technically a "junior"?[edit]

What is meant by the statement that he was "not technically a "junior"? Francis, son of Francis, is Francis Junior.Royalcourtier (talk) 00:10, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Father and son had different middle names. I believe all names must be the same for someone to become a junior. Karenthewriter (talk) 21:42, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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