Talk:Frederick Stovin

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Sir Frederick Stovin was removed from command of the 92nd Gordon Highlanders in 1821, after scandalising the regiment by demanding they wear trousers?

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Ionians[edit]

Stovin's being in the Ionians with the 28th is cited to the ODNB, but the article doesn't seem to mention it, only him being there with the 90th from 1821, and also says that the rebellion was while he was in command of the 90th, not when he was a major with the 28th. Should the ref be to Johnston instead, or had the sequence just got muddled? David Underdown (talk) 12:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think muddled - this is one of the cases where the DNB itself gets a bit confused. (He suppressed a rebellion when present with the 28th; his tenure with the 90th was pretty placid). I'll recheck the footnotes. Shimgray | talk | 13:07, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

...and fixed. Johnston is quite clear that he put down a rebellion when there with the 28th in 1819/1820, and that - apart from disarming the islands, which was done completely peacefully in 1822 - the 90th didn't have much actively happen. I think this is the ODNBs error - there's a brief summary of the incident here, which corroborates Johnston.

On the theme of things missing from the ODNB, did you turn up a Gazette reference to him as brigadier-general? I couldn't find a reference to this anywhere, and it seems a bit odd to skip a step completely. Shimgray | talk | 13:21, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brigadier was not a permanent rank in this period, most people went straight from colonel to major-general. Brigadier was a temporary appointment given to field officers when brigades were needed, and no generals on the station. Much like the usage of commodore in the RN which was given when a captain was needed to command a squadron of ships. There seem to be a few errors of date in the ODNB article (it's mostly a lightly edited version of the original DNB article), sources are given as the Gentleman's Magazine, so the original error was probably theirs-it's now much esier to go back to the original Gazettes. David Underdown (talk) 14:36, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Frederick Stovin/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria[reply]

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

B. MoS compliance:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Can you find a picture? Even a fair-use one would be acceptable.
Bit of a problem, this one. I have identified one portrait of Stovin - a print held by the National Portrait Gallery - and that hasn't been digitised. The ODNB contains no picture (and doesn't even mention the NPG one, unusually); the Imperial War Museum collection doesn't have anything. It's possible the regimental museum of the Royal Ulster Rifles might have a portrait in a cupboard somewhere, but that's a bit more effort than I can practically go to!

We could use something purely decorative, I suppose, but we'd definitely want free content for that; I didn't see any decent pictures of the associated regiments (there's one of a junior officer of the 52nd, which would work, but it's very low-quality), but perhaps something like this for one of the associated honours? Shimgray | talk | 20:21, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing on Google Image? Unlikely I admit, but definitely worth trying. I'm not much interested in an image of one of his honours; I'd prefer the man or nothing at all.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing I could see. I agree with you that the tangential images don't help much; I'd be just about happy with a picture of his home or something, but that doesn't seem to have been anywhere too interesting. Shimgray | talk | 11:55, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Overall:
Pass or Fail: