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Response on the Copyright problem

Thank you for reviewing and fixing the article in that regard. Bhistory 14:25, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Burghers existing article

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There's already an article about Burgher (Boer republics) that should be expanded upon with this information. It doesn't need a separate standalone article unless there's supposed difference between the Free ones and then regular ones? It's not clear from this article that difference. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 18:34, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Response to By Boershistory:

Thanks for the review, I agree with you the article on Burgher (Boer republics) needs to be extended and although the 'free burghers' were the predecessors of the Burghers of the Boer republics, it has different historical context. I do intend to expand the existing article on the Burghers of the Boer republics however, its content would differ from the that of the Free Burghers.

With regards to the history of the Boers, the free burghers are a segment (part of a bigger series of wiki articles) such as the burghers of the Boer republics. Since different territories and circumstances play a role in the content of these groups. Overall with regards to the history of the Boers, here is a short summary of the context in which the free burghers are positioned: Bhistory 07:39, 10 April 2019 (UTC)


Title Description Event Territory Year
Free Burghers Early settlers of the Cape Settlement at the Cape Dutch Cape Colony 1657
Trekboere Free Burghers moving further away from the Dutch Cape Colony Free Burghers establishing territories further inland Stellenbosch, Paarl, Franschoek 1688
Voortrekkers Boers leaving the Cape Colony Great Trek Free State, Transvaal, Natal, Vryheid, Stellaland, Griqualand West, Griqualand East, Zoutpansberg 1834
Burgher (Boer republics) Citizens of the Boer Republics During the time of the Boer Republics South African Republic, Orange Free State, Natalia Republic, New Republic, Zoutpansberg, State of Goshen, Griqualand West and Griqualand East 1852
Dorslandtrekkers Migrating Boers Dorsland Trek Angola, South West Africa 1874
Boer Migrants Boers Migrating after the Second Boer War Post Boer War diaspora Patagonia, Kenya, Mexico, Arizona, California, New Mexico, Texas, Tanzania 1903
Afrikaners Modern day Boers Unification of British and Boer territories Union of South Africa 1910

Revisions

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I have made some edits for expansion and clarification to the article on the Burghers (Boer republics) also mentioning the Free Burghers as to place the article in context. Hope this gives some clarification. Bhistory 15:34, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

I agree that they should be separate pages and with your overall argument - except perhaps your conclusion that Afrikaners are modern day Boers. But, that argument is not relevant here: Burgher and Freeburgher are completely different concepts and relate to different periods and places from each other. These pages should be separate. Francoisdjvr (talk)
Can you add the year spans to the lead paragraph? That would help clarify their grouping. Hatnote can also be noted for the other Burgher groups of 1852 AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:06, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
hatnote added. Thanks for the recommendation. Bhistory 17:40, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Proposed move: Free Burghers in South Africa

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"Vrijburger" is not a term that was restricted in use to the Dutch Cape Colony, but originated from legalese in the realms of both the Dutch East India Company and the Dutch West India Company. "Free burghers" existed in both Dutch Ceylon (see Burgher people) and formed the majority of the European inhabitants in New Amsterdam as well (where both vrijburger and vrijlieden were used interchangeably).

Since this article only concerns the phenomenon of Free burghers in South Africa, I'm going to propose moving this page to Free Burghers in South Africa or Free Burghers in the Dutch Cape Colony. Perhaps a more general article could take its place at this title which describes the free burgher phenomenon in the Dutch Empire as a whole. Katangais (talk) 23:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]