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Archive 1

Plagiarism

There should be mentioning of his plagiarism. Someone963852 (talk) 00:39, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

It was mentioned before, but not sourced, which is probably why it got removed.... SKS (talk) 00:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind. Someone added it. Someone963852 (talk) 00:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

The article.

A few editors, including myself, have repeatedly removed the long list of awards/achievements for the following reasons:

It's trivial, especially stuff like winning the "Mobile Ranking" on a weekly music show.
It's unsourced.
It's really messy and hard to sort out what is what.
It should belong on the Big Bang article, not this one.

However, it seems that other editors disagree, as they have repeatedly inserted this list over and over and over and over.... I'll revert it once more, but I don't want to push WP:3RR, so yeah.... Oh, and that controversy section needs to stay. It's pretty major, and it's sourced.

So, thoughts? SKS (talk) 21:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I 100% agree that the controversy section should stay in, which is why I added it in the first place. I don't know why random fangirls are deleting it, ignorance to the truth doesn't make it any better. Weekly 'awards' such as Inkigayo mutizens, mnet countdown, music bank wins, etc, are irrelevant and should not be included. Cyworld monthly music awards are decent, and major awards such as end of the year awards should be added, only if they refer specifically to G-Dragon himself, and not Big Bang.

SpikeNeedle (talk) 21:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, someone's gone and undid my changes, even though I also added sources and the like. So yeah, I don't know what to do at this point. SKS (talk) 23:41, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Theres really two editors who are reverting the article back to fangirl heaven, thats Marbles and a 142.157.208.164 . Despite that, I hope other editors who are reading this can pick up on the tips and edit appropriately. ^N_P^e_e^e_r^b_v^s_e^s_z (Push) 20:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I cited and provided all the references and someone is still erasing all the "facts". After reading your comments, I have erased the awards that are not as significant I guess. But I can definitely cite for all those facts as well. Instead of erasing the facts every 5 minutes, would you "editors" please read G-Dragon's wikipedia and tell me what is wrong with it? I would appreciate it very much. Cheers. Marbles1111 (talk)

Right now, many parts of the article are worded in such a way that violate Wikipedia's policy on having neutral content. It says things like "G-Dragon is a fashionista" and "G-Dragon is innovative" and he's created "numerous hit songs". Not neutral. Your edits make this page appear to be more of a fansite or official website biography.
There are unacceptable sources. As I noted on your talk page, Wikipedia requires reliable sources. This includes magazine articles, news articles, and the like. It does NOT include blogs or fansites or forums (so allkpop and k-bites do not count).
The listing of all his collaborations falls under trivia, as none of these collaborations are necessarily notable.

This is why your edits keep being undone (although this time I think it doesn't need to be). I have left numerous messages on your talk page and on this talk page as well stating what the problems were. I know that you have good intentions and want to help out, but please remember that this page isn't here to make G-Dragon look good or show him in a positive light. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia. SKS (talk) 22:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I can actually cite the sources for words to describe him as "fashionista" as there were many articles about it. I erased the biography part as it was almost the same as the one above it. I think more information should be added, but it looks okay. But you should also note that there were people with bad intentions who were erasing the facts as well. I don't think it was you but someone was erasing all the information and added ridiculous stuff without even citing. I want you to know that that was how it was before you became one of the editors of this wikipedia. For the reference, I will try to find more reliable sources. I'm sure you have good intentions as well. Thanks for explaining. Marbles1111 (Marbles1111)

Bringing fashion style here

From his debut, G-Dragon has drawn attention from many through his sense of fashion. He usually wears London street fashion, and likes to have unique accessories to accompany his style. In his recent interview with YG Bounce, he said, "By the time others imitate my style, I would be in a different appearance. It is not fun to look the same like others. Because I don’t want to be the same, I think over and over to look unique". G-Dragon is not just interested in fashion, but he is passionate in collecting information over the internet and thinking over it. In Big Bang (band)'s autobiography, he wrote, "For me, my fashion is not merely of clothes nor brands, but are wings to describe my identity. If music is the energy to drive myself, clothes are the sources which I can expand myself upon. If time permits, I want to work in the fashion industry one day while I write my songs; from time to time, I design my own clothes."
He also has two tattoos on each of his inner arms, the Italian words "La dolce vita", "the sweet life" and "moderato", "moderate" but which also can refer to a music tempo. The tattoos were done by artist Pink's husband Carey Hart in May 2007.
In the music video of Big Bang's single "Dirty Cash" and in their "The Real DVD photobook", another two tattoos could be spotted but those were only temporary henna tattoos.

If anyone can retouch it and add sources, itll be ready to go back into the main article--^N_P^e_e^e_r^b_v^s_e^s_z (Push) 11:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

News

On a Korean Show he admitted that he is Bi sexual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.26.116 (talk) 22:05, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a source? Like, which Korean show was it? SKS (talk) 22:24, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I doubt it. Knowing fangirls, they probably would've been all over this as well as those blogs. AhnSoonKyung (talk) 01:23, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

This went pretty crazy when it aired. But not much news no, try Hankooki. Ohlly (talk) 17:11, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Adabow (talk · contribs) 21:55, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Some dab links and a dodgy EL Adabow (talk · contribs) 21:55, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- - Fixed all the disambiguation page, also took out the YG Bounce source. As for YesAsia, I think it's a reliable source. It's similar to Amazon.com and has information regarding the album. I take it its reviews are biased, but that's why I didn't use the review on the page and only took the part about its musical genre. AhnSoonKyung (talk) 13:30, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
    - [1] is broken. Adabow (talk · contribs) 00:59, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
    - It's broken? Really? Because I can access it. O.o And I will work on the article this weekend because I have many things to catch up on. Just letting you know. :D AhnSoonKyung (talk) 14:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Lead

If you cannot find any other free image, crop File:Big Bang In Thailand.JPG
- Cropped it and upload it.
Can you merge the infoboxes somehow? Does the Korean one have custom parameters?
- Unfortunately Korean does not have one.
The lead needs expanding to encompass all sections
- Expanded it as much as I could. Please note that it is not sourced because most of the sourcing are within the articles. If this has to be change, please note me.

2000–2009: Early life and debut with Big Bang

Where/when was he born?
- Included it in.
"G-Dragon first caught the interest of Sean of the hip-hop duo Jinusean from YG Entertainment, who later recommended him to CEO Yang Hyun Suk" - Is there a date/year that this happened? Jinusean mentions no "Sean".
- No mentions of the year in the sources, but it does said when he was 13. The article does mention Sean (his name is in the history section).
"G-Dragon spent the first year cleaning after the other artists in the record label." - do you mean cleaning a building? Explain further
- Oops!! Fixed it!!
Why aren't "La La La" and "We Belong Together" given in Korean?
- Names that are given in Korean are only for songs whose titles were originally release in Korean but translated to English. "La La La" and "We Belong Together" were originally release as English title songs.

2009–present: Solo and career development

File:G-Dragon Heartbreaker.ogg needs to be reduced in quality. The sample's caption says "Despite becoming a chart-topper" - how would that have any impact on the controversy?
- Took that part out.
Link Mnet Asian Music Awards
- Done so.
Top 20 → top twenty
- Done so.
"YG Entertainment announced G-Dragon and bandmate T.O.P would release a collaboration album" - past tense, please
- Fixed it, but please check as I tend to have problems with my past-present tense. :)
broad-casted → broadcast
- Done so.
"The singles were commercial successes: "High High" was a chartopper while "Oh Yeah" and "Knock Out" both peaked at #2 and #3 respectively" - what chart(s)? Also #2 → number two and #3 → number three
- Changed it. To note, on a another article, I originally wrote chartings out as number three, number two and so on, but was told by an editor to make it #3 and #2 so I was just wondering if there is any rules of thumb about it?
  - MOS:HASH is the relevant page Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
"noting how he would "changed many things" - would → had
- Done so
"and debuted at number one" on what?
- Added in the Gaon Chart (the official Korean chart)

Image and artistry

Link hip-hop to hip-hop music
"G-Dragon incorporated a mix of dance, hip-hop, and R&B songs into his debut solo album" → G-Dragon incorporated a mix of dance, hip-hop, and R&B songs into his debut solo album, Heartbreaker
- Done so
R&B can be linked earlier, and should be linked to contemporary R&B
- Done so
"Preferring to penned lyrics that "sound[s] like an actual story,"" → Preferring to pen lyrics that "sound like an actual story,"
- Done so
"and "Heartbreaker" and "Butterfly, the latter two for his own solo effort." → and "Heartbreaker" and "Butterfly, which he performed independently
Done so

Controversy

This section would be better merged into career
- Merged it
"However, EMI, who also has rights to "Right Round" said that they" → However, EMI, the record label that distributed "Right Round", said that they
- Done so

Awards

Also include any awards that he was nominated for, but lost
- Unfortunately the South Korea industry mostly concentrate on winners so I could not find a reliable source on his nominations.

References

Dates should be formatted consistently, ie either yyyy-mm-dd or Month day, year
- Changed them
Only print sources (ie magazines/newspapers) should be italicised
- Changed it
Remove the succession boxes, more relevant to the album article
- Removed it

Summary

Good work, I'll place the review on hold now. Adabow (talk · contribs) 00:59, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

- I did all that was asked, and hopefully a bit more. Do look it over for corrections. If anything else needs to be change, please note me. Thank you. AhnSoonKyung (talk) 16:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
  - OK, it seems to be up to standard now. Just a note – references in English do not need marking so, as it is assumed that refs are English unless otherwise stated. Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

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please stop removing marijuana section

fan girls/boys are at it again. please stop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Booyahshakashogun (talk • contribs) 05:49, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

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Twitter

I tried editing in GD's twitter but I kept getting errors as a result. His twitter link is http://twitter.com/IBGDRGN just so you know. Tibbydibby (talk) 17:23, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

GD's blackface Instagram photo edit-warring

There is currently edit warring going on over the addition of G-Dragon's blackface photo on his Instagram. The information has been added, with secondary sources, and has been repeatedly removed. Based on what I can glean from edit summaries, the editor adding the info claims the story was reported in reliable sources (LA Times, http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/31/entertainment/la-et-ms-kpop-gdragon-blackface-trayvon-martin-tribute-20130731; originally reported by Spin), and thus has a place in the article. The editor deleting the information does so on the basis that the source is biased and thus not reliable for Wikipedia, and that the subject area (race issues) is too controversial. Given this is a BLP (biography of living persons) article and the issue is very touchy, it's vital that great care be taken when adding potentially harmful information. Let's talk it out here to get the best possible solution to this contentious issue. Shinyang-i (talk)

WP:PUBLICFIGURE states this: "If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article – even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it. If you cannot find multiple reliable third-party sources documenting the allegation or incident, leave it out."

If LA Times is the only source, it for sure doesn't belong in the article. I tend to think these kinds of things are trivial and unnecessary to include. --Random86 (talk) 01:01, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

They picked it up from Spin. For what it's worth. Shinyang-i (talk) 01:11, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

The Guardian and The New York Times also picked up the story, and The Korea Times mentioned the incident in an article on Korean celebrities wearing blackface. So it's certainly notable and worth mentioning.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 02:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

3family6, Shinyang-i The weirdest part of the reporting was that GD never indicated it was a Trayvon-related posting. The idea that this was a "misled homage" came from the fact that the picture was published in a politically volatile time and had a passing resemblance to a hashtag trend. Yeah this definitely got "reliable" media coverage and checks that box, but Spin later reported it as a "huge misunderstanding" which seems to indicate to me, not a cover-up, but a story spun out of thin air in the first place. To me that concludes the issue as a NON-issue. I get primary source reporting should be taken with great care, but that combined with the lack of evidence linking the photo to Trayvon in the first place makes imo an unnecessary addition to the page.

I'd also like to point out that the black face paint was eventually used in one of his music videos ("Coup de'Etat") per his story, as seen in this image Asdklf; (talk) 02:22, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Actually, that's I think what should get put in the article, then. That Spin mislabeled his actions, and later things were explained. This would be good to include in the article, as someone might find that story, and not discover the retraction.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 02:55, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Okay, perhaps under the public image section Asdklf; (talk) 03:30, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah media. Because paiting your face black necessary means reference to the black population, right? His Coup detat blackface was symbolic, he removes a white mask, from under which vblack paint is dripping. It's symbolic of his career, how he removed his mask to reveal his true musical identity. But people only pick up the "he painted his face black, so he must be mocking black people". Jeez. Where is creative freedom? Is the color black now exclusively a skin color? I don't think that the above Instagram nstance belongs to this article. It's a misunderstanding blown out of proportion just because he is celebrity. End of story. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 14:05, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

References

I am seeing some allkpop and soompi references from just glancing down at the reference section. New references need to be found since those aren't acceptable sources and should be deleted.Peachywink (talk) 15:42, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

@Peachywink: It depends on what information they are used as a source for.... It's insane that you are going around articles posting Unreliable sources templates everywhere without even checking the content, just by glancing at some site names in the reference section. There are a lot of stuff that can be safely sourced from akp and soompi, like Tv appearances, MV release dates and the like. They post events as they go live, it's not going to be "not trustworthy". It's not like they lie about G-Dragon releasing an MV on the 8th of August. Scurtiny of sources is much welcome but it should be done with reason, not just by glancing at the reference section ithout actualy checks and concerns for factuality. If you find a statement where you think AKP/soompi is a questionable source, feel free to tag the sentence with {{unreliable source}} but don't tag the whole article, please, discrediting a whole page base don assumptions. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 19:40, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't think using that tag is insane. Using Allkpop/Soompi/etc as a source isn't ever a good idea IMO. An admin (Kww?) was even considering blacklisting Allkpop recently. A GA especially shouldn't be using sub-par sources. Random86 (talk) 19:57, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Did you check what information they are used for as a source? No, you obviously didn't. If you blacklist allkpop, please blacklist The Sun and the other yellow press papers too. AKP or soompi is not less reliable than these, and as I can see, quite a lot of living people biographies use The Sub as a source. And not for sourcing an MV release :) These are not personal blogs, and while not traditional newspapers, they do have an editorial room (AKP has a whole traditional newsroom office). I'm not saying it should be used for serious claims as a source. But there are things you can source from AKP as much as you can use The Sun for certain information and not for others... Using common sense is much better IMHO than behaving like a judge and "ruling" against things you have no understanding of... Because very obviously you have no clue about how Kpop journalism works. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 20:09, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid it's you that misunderstand things. Have you looked at http://www.allkpop.com/disclaimer ? "Information on this site may or may not be true and allkpop makes no warranty as to the validity of any claims" is not a statement found on a reliable source. No information should be sourced to allkpop.com under any circumstances.—Kww(talk) 20:15, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I actually forgot I tagged this article, so I wasn't paying attention to the talk. Anyways when I look down at the references to see what sort of articles are coming from sources like allkpop and soompi I see problems. Which is probably why I tagged it, if they had only been to reference certain event appearances and awards I would have thought it was fine and left it, because even though those sites carry disclaimers it can be very difficult to find reliable sites that report on those events despite the signifigance due to the culture of news reporting in South Korea. However when it gets to things that require an understanding of opinion and cultural knowledge such as "Japanese Public Opinion Criticizes G-Dragon" a soompi article written by someone called Jbarky is not a reliable source. There are more than several articles like that where better sources need to be obtained. Bigbangupdates is another bad source I would like to add to that list which is a blog that copied a soompi article. I'm not trying to piss people off here, I was pointing out a problem so article editors could improve on the things they seem to have missed. In the future I will try to be clearer about what the specific problems are with the unreliable sources are rather than just listing them. Also, fyi ref #39 from the Manila Bulletin is broken. UPDATE: I fixed it and one more. Peachywink (talk) 14:32, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

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trivia on his stage name

His birth name is Ji-yong (Hangul: 권지용, Hanja: 權志龍). Ji means will, ambition, yong means dragon. His stage name is basically half phonetic transliteration and half translation by meaning. Ji -> G, yong -> dragon. G-Dragon sounds better than the direct translation of "Ambitious Dragon". Kowloonese (talk) 00:48, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

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GA Reassessment

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As previously done with Big Bang, I'm reassessing this because, like the article for Big Bang, this article has neutrality issues.

The legacy section stands out the most, with a bunch of random quotations from various people him important without any explanation of why their opinion is notable or why certain quotes are even listed at all. In addition, very little of it discusses his actual legacy and is three paragraphs of unrelated information.

"His involvement has shaped how new idol groups interact with their music" this is used as an introduction to an actual cited fact, but most of this is not in the listed sources. (At least, from what I could find.)

"His music has gained appreciation from critics" This should probably be more specific or be less complimentary (i.e. "his music has received a generally positive critical reception".) Also, this paragraph discusses specific critical praise for specific albums, which belongs in the Artistry section (or on their respective pages).

"That same year, The Guardian ranked G-Dragon No. 11 on their list of "30 Best Boyband Members," becoming only one of two Korean artists to be listed, with BTS's Jimin coming at No. 17." Is this worth putting here? It's on Jimin's page as well, but it feels like fluff to me, though for this I could understand leaving it in.

"His artistry, multi-hyphenate career, popularity and level of influence" These statements don't show up in the sources the way it's being used here from what I could find.

"Despite his success as a solo artist and leader of Big Bang, G-Dragon has admitted that he didn't realize how famous he was until he went on Big Bang's first world tour." I would consider this to be fancruft.

The lengthy blockquote in the public image section reads as pure promotion, as it adds little to the prose to help expand what it discusses.

The actual, cited information about his popularity belongs more under his public image section than in an article about his legacy. His legacy would discuss what measurable impact he's done for the K-Pop industry, like the list of artists citing him directly as an influence. This section, and the whole article even, fails to mention his measurable impact in spreading the hallyu wave as well, which is a rather vital piece of his career that is totally vacant.

Other stuff:

The article contains a lot of weasel words. From the lead: "not only", "critically acclaimed" (the album being labeled as such as two mentioned reviews) and other non-neutral phrases (such as "the collection highlights G-Dragon's signature crest" from the other ventures section.

"However, on June 25, 2018, South Korean media outlet, Dispatch, reported that the artist was receiving special treatment in Yangzhou Armed Forces Hospital during his stay. He was said to be resting in a hospital room dedicated to Colonels although he is only a Private First Class. Later on, his music label, YG Entertainment, as well as the Ministry of Defense released statements claiming that the allegations were false and that he was not receiving any special treatments. In the midst of the rumors, a petition has been set up in the government's website to shut down Dispatch due to the belief that the company was releasing fabricated articles in attempts to entertain people without any regards to the validity of the news as well as how the news would affect the person or people involved." This section feels rather biased in G-Dragon's favor and fails to mention that there was genuine public backlash and only mentions the petition. Additionally, it feels like an example of MOS:ALLEGED.

No images used have alt text.

The article uses a unreliable sources per WP:KO/RS: such as Soompi and Korea Portal, and fanblogs like Kpop Behind.

This article has changed significantly since it's GA revision eight years ago. I do think it's salvageable and has a lot of good information in it, but the constant implications of praise in the prose and much arguably notable praise makes be believe it no longer holds GA status. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 16:36, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Been a week without discussion or objection, so I'm going to demote this. DanielleTH ^{(Say hi!)} 03:59, 20 June 2019 (UTC)