Talk:Gabrielle d'Estrées et une de ses sœurs

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Criticism[edit]

The article as it stands comes to some wild conjectures that don't seem to be backed up by cursory views of the painting. What evidence is there for these claims? Also, the image viewed in the context of our time is quite scandalous, implying not only lesbian or bisexual sexuality, but incest. How was the painting viewed by contemporaries? Would the "nipple pinch" have implied the same things then as now? I'd be curious to find out how much the "meaning" of this piece has drifted from its original significance.

I have read the nipple pinch indicates pregnancy not just because it points to the source of milk but because it was a pregnancy test. I have not found a reliable source for this hypothesis yet.--Georgius (talk) 07:55, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup[edit]

I've cleaned the page up, removed the conjecture, and added another good source. As the painting isn't attributed, I doubt the page can move beyond start status. But we'll see.Icarus of old (talk) 23:19, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Removed stub tag, per edits and my previous comments (above).Icarus of old (talk) 16:00, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Come in, Radio Tokyo[edit]

I understand (that is, it was related to me, though I don't remember having seen it myself) that Terry Gilliam used this image in one of his animations for Monty Python's Flying Circus in the early Seventies. The gag used the conceit of tuning in a radio station as if the nipple were the radio dial. Nuttyskin (talk) 16:12, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article title vs infobox image title[edit]

Is there any good reason for the title of the article, and in the lede sentence, being Gabrielle d'Estrées et une de ses sœurs; but the title in the infobox being Portrait présumé de Gabrielle d'Estrées et de sa soeur la duchesse de Villars? They should surely be the same. Or is there some uncertainty over the identity of one or both sitters? - in which case that should be discussed in the article. GrindtXX (talk) 00:48, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. After a brief quest, I can't shed any light on it. On fr.wp, both the article and infobox titles are the same as here, while the fr.wp infobox image caption repeats the article title. I did a quick read of the French article, and don't see any discussion on presumption or doubt regarding the identity of the subjects. No indication either in the painting's entry in the Louvre database, which displays the same title as the wp articles. It could be that while the ladies' identity was only ever presumed, it was generally accepted who they were, and that is how the art world arrived at a title for the anonymous work. Eric talk 01:16, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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