Talk:Garðabær

Requested move

Please participate in centralised discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias --Espoo (talk) 15:03, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was not moved. No clear consensus either way; between the official website and the travel books cited it's a wash, therefore we default to the status quo. Non-admin closure (Help clear the backlog). Cybercobra (talk) 06:31, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Garðabær → Gardabær — 1) Spelling used in English by the town itself. The town does not use Garðabær in English. 2) Garðabær unreadable and incomprehensible to almost all Wikipedia users. 3) The article should mention Garðabær once in the lede: "Gardabær or Garðabær (original spelling) is a settlement in the municipality of ..." 4) (This is a completely different problem from accents or umlauts, which do not need to be ignored or changed to oe etc. because they do not make the words incomprehensible i.e. unreadable to WP users.)--Espoo (talk) 21:36, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Espoo is out of the blue requesting moves of various articles he has never edited as a reaction to an unrelated debate. Please let's not do this, nothing good will come of it; ð is in use on various articles stable for many years. If you look at the interwikis you'll see that most of them use the ð as well. Haukur (talk) 22:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- An ad hominem argument discredits the person presenting it, not the original argument. More info why my move request is perfectly valid can be found here. --Espoo (talk) 23:01, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Please let's not do this, Espoo. Haukur (talk) 23:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, here we go. What sources do you have, Espoo, other than the one you've cited that use the spelling you propose? Here are three recent books with some substantial coverage of this town, they are all written by native English speakers:
- - - Iceland by Andrew Evans [1]
    - The Rough Guide to Iceland by David Leffman and James Proctor [2]
    - Iceland by Paul Harding and Joe Bindloss [3]
Those three books all spell the name Garðabær. What sources on the town do you have that spell it as you propose? Haukur (talk) 23:22, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support per town's own English usage, that the requested title is in ASCII, and the fact that monoglot anglophones, and non-European polyglot anglophones will not recognize the "O" as not an "o". 76.66.197.2 (talk) 06:34, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - no reason to follow the usage of one website. To follow just one source entirely misses the point of WP:NAME, where we look at the usage of reliable English-language sources taken as a whole. WP:OFFICIALNAMES, although not policy, is a pretty accurate picture of Wikipedia's use of "official" names - we consider them, but do not automatically prefer them. The rest of the rationale about how readers pronounce the name to themselves is pure irrelevant speculation. There's precious few English people who can correctly pronounce Hódmezővásárhely or Chkhorotsqu either - picking out ß or þ for extinction does precious little for anybody in that regard. It's not worth losing the consistency of naming when redirects from the alternatives exist, and making the change helps no-one. This is a non-starter. Knepflerle (talk) 12:36, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
oppose - per WP naming conventions as well as the preponderance of reliable sources using "ð" - also, the site linked by espoo uses both forms. de Bivort 15:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not any of the site's English pages i saw. Please support your claim with a link. --Espoo (talk) 23:43, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your link, upper left. de Bivort 22:31, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That can only be considered a logo and/or an error by the website designer equivalent to the erroneous "Þú ert hér" at the top since the entire English text on the page uses only the anglicised spelling of the town itself and other words with original ð. Wikipedia has many articles that do not apply logo spellings. What counts is use in English text. The language professional who took great care to translate the article was obviously not the same person as the technical expert who sloppily left incomprehensible text and spellings in the non-text parts of the page, which should obviously not determine WP usage. --Espoo (talk) 06:08, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.