Talk:Gavin Sullivan

Own article

I think the character will be so significant that he will need his own article. He is clearly Sharon Watts's natural father, he clearly has links to Vincent Hubbard's father, Den Watts, Ted Hills and the Mitchells and he is also one of the show's most important villains (according to DTC). Might as well reflect that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cindy's Cafe (talk • contribs) 01:20, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Already working on it since June, but it's not finished yet so be patient. But "He is clearly Sharon Watts's natural father" could still be wrong. I think it's so obvious that it might not be true. It's just a rumour. However, I've included all the speculation in my draft. –anemoneprojectors– 06:52, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Well it may be a good idea to fasten in speed in terms of setting up the article. Gavin is definitely Sharon's father. Kathy is arrested at the house that Sharon visited a few months back in search of her real dad. Gavin had a photo with Den Watts, Vincent's dad and Ted Hills. Den knew Sharon's dad and had it organised through a private foster. Sharon's dad is also called Gavin. It's Sharon's dad. No doubt about it.--81.108.237.86 (talk) 00:44, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, those are the clues but that doesn't confirm that they are the same person. Besides, nobody has confirmed that it's the same house, or that Vincent's father is in that photo - both are pure speculation from media outlets, and you also are speculating, unless you have a reliable source from an official EastEnders spokesperson that says Gavin Sullivan is Sharon's father. These clues could all be deliberate red herrings from a group of very talented and clever writers. Anyway, there's no hurry to set up an independent article, because the character is currently covered on Wikipedia, in case you hadn't noticed, so it's not like there's no information at all - the list entry is fine until the draft is ready, and that can be updated as others see fit. There are a lot of sources to get through and I want to make sure I've checked every one before I complete the article, and I can't dedicate all my time to this one thing, I have other things to do in my life. –anemoneprojectors– 12:36, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

It is the same house. It has been confirmed that the house in Notting Hill that Sharon went to visit her father is the same house in Notting Hill Kathy got arrested. Gavin is called Gavin. Sharon's father is called Gavin. Gavin is seen withdrawing a picture with Ted Hills, Den Watts and Mr Hubbard Snr. Den knew Sharon's dad Gavin. Den also knew Gavin Sullivan. Even if he is not Sharon's father (and that's hugely unlikely), Gavin is still a major villain as DTC has pointed out. There are still a lot of pages (for eg. Babe, Stan Carter, Nancy, Lee) that are not developed. That's a worry.--Cindy's Cafe (talk) 04:19, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

"It is the same house. It has been confirmed" - confirmed where and by whom? "That's a worry" - Why is this a worry? Why are you so bothered? Why don't you try to expand some of the list entries yourself if it matters that much to you? –anemoneprojectors– 13:12, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

By the way, I will give you that both doors look exactly the same, both are number 14, but there's one small difference in the flowers outside the door. Other than that they appear identical. Still not confirmed by reliable sources though. And still not a reason to rush the article. –anemoneprojectors– 13:36, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Sources

• If there is more to write about Dot and Gavin, use ref name "IS 2016-6" for this show insider quote: "Dot remembers him from the old days, and knows full well that he's a very bad man." anemoneprojectors 10:39, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
• Reception about Gavin being a let down - Soaper1234 - talk 17:41, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

ready for main space

This article could be considered ready for the main space of wiki as it is very well sourced and everything — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.30.109.24 (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm still working on the article. If I move it to mainspace now, I'll just end up neglecting it and not adding the information it still needs. anemoneprojectors 12:31, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Overlong plot summary

The "storylines" and "development" sections of this article are far too involved and detailed. They need to be summarised much more briefly. At a specialist fansite like the eastenders wiki, this level of detail would be perfect, but for Wikipedia, articles should use summary style.

Please take a look at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Writing_about_fiction#Plot_summaries and Wikipedia:Plot-only_description_of_fictional_works. Note, I'm not saying that this is a plot-only article, but that last link gives you really great advice on how to re-balance this article. --Slashme (talk) 09:48, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

I already wrote the storylines section as short as I could - the character was involved in a lot of high-profile storylines. I don't see how the development section can be too long - the whole point of writing about fiction on Wikipedia is that it is mostly from a "real-world perspective", and as I said, the character was involved in a lot of high profile storylines and there was a lot of information available. anemoneprojectors 11:23, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

However, I will try to shorten the plot when I find the time. anemoneprojectors 11:41, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Do we think this tag can be removed now? The plot is as short as it can possibly be without missing out information. Soaper1234 - talk 17:55, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Probably — ᴀnemoneᴘroᴊecтors 17:35, 28 January 2018 (UTC)