Talk:Geoff Bent

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April 16, 2023	Good article nominee	Listed
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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Geoff Bent, one of Manchester United's Busby Babes, saved a child from drowning in a canal?

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POV check: Statements such as "against all the odds" and "all the more tragic" make it sound like a funeral speech. --Atlantima 20:30, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Lightburst (talk) 20:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Geoff Bent, one of Manchester United's Busby Babes, saved a child from drowning in a canal? Source: Roberts 2012, loc. 822–849. "In fact, Geoffrey's first medal was not awarded to him for football, but for rescuing a boy from Salford Canal."
- Reviewed: Bachtiar Djafar

5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self-nominated at 21:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Geoff Bent; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

A fine 5x expansion, no obvious copyvio concerns, hook is in the article and cited in the source given (have to AGF as it is offline). Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:52, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

Passed. — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 09:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Geoff Bent/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ixtal (talk · contribs) 11:03, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be reviewing this over the next few days.

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Comments[edit]

Early life[edit]

I wonder if Bent began as a forward, playing at inside left, [...] would work better with the wikilink on "inside left", i.e. Bent began as a forward, playing at inside left, [...]. — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 15:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I've added that link, but left the link on forward to the page as a whole. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 15:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Manchester United[edit]

I don't understand what the distinction is between trialist and amateur, or how one can join a professional club as an amateur. — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 15:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, so I don't have a reference to hand for this, but amateurism stuck around in UK sport into the 1960s. As I understand, and I don't recall the details specifically, but a trialist was essentially an unpaid apprentice, who earned "boot money" ie. they did jobs such as cleaning the boots for senior players to earn some money. An amateur was a player with a second job, and the FA limited the amount they could be paid to a set amount, lower than a professional. A professional, was, well, professional! I'm planning to take this onto FA, so I assume from your uncertainty, you think it would be worth finding a source so that I can add a note explaining this? Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 15:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  Harrias, yes I do think it is worth finding a source so that it can be explained. If you do find the source, I'd appreciate if you could add it to Amateur_sports#Association_football as well as the paragraph describing that phenomenon currently has a {{cn}} tag. — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 16:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Byrne praised Bent, describing him as a "valuable prospect" who makes Byrne "strive to keep my position". This double repetition of Byrne's name reads awkwardly. — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 15:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Fair. Rewritten this sentence, let me know how it is now. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 15:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy[edit]

The neglected state of his grave has been a regular press story; in 1988 the Manchester Evening News ran a story, in which Bent's widow, Marion, said she could not afford to maintain the grave. I suggest you find a way to simplify or divide this sentence, as the semicolon followed by three commas makes it hard to read. — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 15:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Removed her name; it is mentioned earlier anyway. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 15:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Misc. Comments[edit]

I'll do a quick source review plus copyvio check once my comments above are addressed, but so far it looks like a fantastic article. Good work, Harrias. — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 15:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Ixtal: Thanks for the review. Responded to each point above. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 15:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Ixtal: Just wanted to give you a gentle nudge on this one. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 19:51, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the nudge, Harrias. Passed Copyvio detector so I'm passing the review. Congratulations! — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 09:57, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.