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A fact from George McCubbin appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 September 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that 18-year-old George McCubbin piloted the aircraft that shot down German ace Max Immelmann in 1916?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 03:49, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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McCubbin in 1916

... that less than four months after getting his aviator's certificate in 1916 18-year-old George McCubbin (pictured) piloted the aircraft that shot down German ace Max Immelmann? "gaining his aviator's certificate in March that year at the age of 18" from: Bowman, Martin W. (30 August 2017). Escaping Soldiers and Airmen of World War I. Casemate Publishers. p. 142. ISBN 978-1-4738-6324-8. "on June 18th one of our F.E. aeroplanes whilst patrolling over Annay, at about 9 p.m., attacked three Fokkers ... Extracts from the German newspapers relating to the death of Lieutenant Immelmann make it clear that the pilot received his death as outlined above" from: Turner, Charles Cyril (1919). The struggle in the air, 1914-1918. London : E. Arnold. pp. 66–67.

ALT1: ... that 18-year-old George McCubbin (pictured) piloted the aircraft that shot down German ace Max Immelmann in 1916? Sources as above

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Stylocheilus striatus

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 08:23, 10 August 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Great article about an interesting, and clearly very able, individual. Both hooks are interesting with a preference for Alt 0, I cannot read the Bowman source but the Turner source clearly states what is said above, AGF. Earwig shows the closest is a 5.7% match to espn.co.uk. This picture is appropriate as it is taken of the individual recovering from the injuries sustained in the action covered in both hooks. Cavalryman (talk) 04:15, 11 August 2021 (UTC).[reply]

ALT1 to T:DYK/P2 without image

Corporal James Henry Waller[edit]

I'm curious: why does Lieutenant McCubbin gets the credit as the one who "shot down the German ace" rather than Corporal James Henry Waller, who actually made the shot that killed Max Immelmann but has no article of his own? Is it military convention that the pilot gets the credit? Or is there simply not sufficient additional information on Cpl. Waller? 97.102.30.205 (talk) 18:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A bit of both, I think. It seems custom at the time that the pilot got the majority of the credit for the kill (which may be reasonable seeing that he has to manoeuvre into a firing position) while the gunner/observer is an afterthought. As such Waller doesn't feature in much of the contemporary reporting so I didn't find enough to establish his notability. Note that although the two men received different gallantry awards for the action they are broadly equivalent (until 1993 there were separate gallantry awards for officers and other ranks in the British forces) - Dumelow (talk) 19:46, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]