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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Everything Everything's third album, Get to Heaven, was at one point bookmakers' favourite for the 2015 Mercury Prize, but was ultimately not even nominated?

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Reviewer: Tbhotch (talk · contribs) 04:03, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

B. MoS compliance:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

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Hi Tbhotch, thanks so much for beginning this review. It's late here, but I wanted to pick off some of the "easy" things tonight. I'll get to some of the more complex things tomorrow. :) — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Tbhotch

;General

3 dead links, and some links are redirects. I highly suggest you to archive your urls to avoid this.
- I've gone through and archived all of them. Also replaced the dead links. — fox 02:20, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You are relying in too many quotes [1]
- I think most of this is actually that long pull-quote. I can try to rework some other quotes to instead paraphrase? — fox 02:20, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

"No Reptiles" is not mentioned in the article, and it is unsourced.
- I just removed it; can't find any sources for it as a single. — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

"number seven on the United Kingdom Albums Chart, and at number 29 on..." -> Per WP:NUMNOTES, you shouldn't be mixing them.
- Fixed. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You utilized "the album" 6 times in the lead alone.
- Cut this to two. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"22 June 2015 on RCA Records.[4]" -> You don't need a source for this (in the lead).
- Fixed. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Recording and production

"alone and isolated" -> original quote says "We just wanted to be away and isolated."
- Mistyping on my part; fixed. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Higgs told -> Who is Higgs.
- Ah, that was lost in a reworking of this section at some point... Fixed. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"we kind of ripped up that rule book after realizing," -> "we kind of ripped up that rule book after reali[s]ing" (consistent with the British English you are using).
- Fixed. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Pritchard told -> Who is Pritchard.
- Fixed. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Jeremy Pritchard said that these "affected us pretty adversely" -> "affected [them]".
- Fixed. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In this section you say "the band" 10 times, "they" 3 times, "The group" 1 time, "Everything Everything" 0 times, and other options 0 times as well.

I've had a go at shaking this up. — fox 01:19, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

second album Arc. -> second album Arc (2013).

Is this a done thing in musical articles? I'm not sure I've seen if before, but if it's in MOS somewhere I'll happily change. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is done in any kind of articles (not only musical ones), in and outside Wikipedia. You have to give context to readers as they not necessarily know everything you are talking about (you have to give context). You also have to consider readers not always click on the links (because they don't want to or they cannot do it), or that these articles can be printed, be part of the CD/DVD selection, or be part of the Wikipedia's board game, so that additional context is excluded. If you don't want to use "(year)", you can say it on text, ("released in 2000", "2000's"), etc.© Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 18:26, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Pritchard told Skiddle" and "During recording sessions" paragraphs are too short.

Is there a MOS guideline for this sort of thing? — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is no official guideline for WP:Paragraphs other than that link, and if you Google the rules there are no definitive rules for the length. However, it is suggested to have coherence when building a paragraph and they have to remain focused in one idea. In this section you have 5 paragraphs: Paragraph 1 gives the background of Get to Heaven; Paragraph 2 still about the background, but discusses why it was recorded; Paragraph 3 is about what Paragraph 2 is talking about; Paragraph 4 is about the record production; Paragraph 5 is about Higgs "depression". So after this revision, Paragraph 3 is the one that has to be merged with Paragraph 2. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 18:26, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"told" is said 5 times.
- Replaced some of these throughout with synonyms for flow. — fox 01:19, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Composition

"the lyrics are and our sound". -> [their]
- Fixed. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"In March," -> {{when?}}
- Fixed. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"The band" is used 6 times here.
- Cut this to two. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Speaking to The Independent, Higgs spoke"
- Changed to In an interview with The Independent, Higgs spoke.... — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant -> the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL)
- Fixed. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"current affairs of 2015" -> Articles are written in an historical perspective.
- While current events is a turn of phrase, I've changed this to events which took place in for clarity. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Higgs told Digital Spy that: "Quotation"[8] -> that quote is not in the source given.
- I don't know what happened here, this is actually from the Drowned in Sound source... I've fixed. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Frankie Teardrop" -> "Frankie Teardrop" (1977)
- ~~See above question re dates. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)~~[reply]
- Okay, done. — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Kid A -> Kid A (2000)
- ~~See above re dates. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)~~[reply]
- Okay, done. — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Higgs told the NME that Kanye West's" paragraph is too short.

I would love to know which guideline this is referring to :) — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Same as above, "Frankie Teardrop" and Kid A were influences. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 18:26, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I folded it into the previous paragraph; this subsection talks about lyrics and not the music, so it wouldn't fit into the same para as the musical influences. — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Promotion and release

In November -> {{when?}}
- Fixed. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The paragraphs "The album was released on 22 June" and "The album was released" should be merged.
- I agree, fixed. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The image should be at the top of the section.
- OK. Done. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest to have an order here, you go from Single 1 on 17 February to Single 2 on 9 April, then album initial release on 14 February.
- I've had a go at fixing this by moving the text around. (Note that the February 14 date refers to when the band announced the release date; it is not itself the release date). — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sony RCA -> Isn't "Sony's RCA"?
- Changed to just RCA Records for consistency. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Its title, Higgs told Drowned in Sound, was almost" sounds weird
- I agree! Changed. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
References 39 and 40 are the same.
- Oops. Deleted. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Charts

Remove ""X" denotes song not released in a particular country." and ""=" denotes track not eligible for a particular chart.", you aren't using them.
- Done. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Critical reception

Link Q (magazine)
- Done. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge "Much was said about" paragraph.
- Done. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Same for "The album was among the favourites" or expand it.
- I just merged it. There's not really much else to say there. — fox 01:19, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial performance

"Get to Heaven entered the UK Albums Chart at number seven.[61][62]" That's it?

There isn't much more information available about the commercial success of the album; I can dig for more tomorrow, or just fold this section into the previous one. — fox 08:50, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You can merge the Charts section with this, develope the time in the chart(s), talk about Australia's, and mention the Singles charting. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 18:26, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Track listing

"A gatefold vinyl edition of the album was distributed in the UK by RCA Records, featuring the same track listing as the standard edition of the album." is unsourced.
- Added a source. It's apparently hard to back this fact up, but hopefully that source will help. — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Who is/are the writer(s)?
- Added. — fox 01:19, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

4 (NME): "nme.com." -> NME is italicised, nme.com. not
- Changed to just NME. — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
9 (NME): "nme.com.".
- Changed to just NME. — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
16 (Financial Times): |subscription=yes
- Done — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
23 (The Guardian): ". the Guardian"
- I'm not sure what you are asking, but I capitalised The here. — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Exactly that. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 01:22, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
26 (BBC Radio): BBC is not italicised.
- Done — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
27 (NME). NME is overlinked
29 (Digital Spy). Digital Spy is overlinked.
31 (gigwise.com): gigwise.com is not italicised.
- Dropped the .com and linked. — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
32 (www.brightonsfinest.com): www.brightonsfinest.com is not italicised.
- Dropped the .com — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
34 ([V] music): Link it to Channel V.
- Done — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
36 (Under the Radar): Link it to Under the Radar (magazine)
- Done — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
37 (NME). NME is overlinked.
- Ditto above — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
38: (The Bristol Post). Link it to Bristol Post.
- I don't think this reference is in there anymore... — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
43: (ClashMusic.com). Link it to Clash (magazine)
- Done — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
46 (NME): "NME".
- Was a duplicate ref, so fixed. — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
47 (Pitchfork Media): Link it to Pitchfork (website)
- Was a duplicate ref also. — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
48 (The Daily Telegraph). Author is missing. Also The Daily Telegraph is italicised and linked.
- Was a duplicate reference. Fixed. — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
49 (Metacritic): Source 41 and 49 are the same.
- Merged. — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
50 (Q): It is missing many things.
53 (DIY): DIY is overlinked.
54 (Digital Spy): "Digital Spy"
57 (The Guardian): ". the Guardian"
60 (BBC News): BBC News is not italicised.
- Fixed — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
65 (AIRA): Link it to Australian Recording Industry Association.
- Done — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
67 (OCC): Official Charts Company is overlinked.
You have an inconsistent use of "Publisher" and "Publisher.com", choose one.
- Done — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

The lead is too short and it currently looks unorganized (Recorded -> release -> charts -> singles -> composition -> reception).
- How does it look now? I can add more, though I was basing it mostly on the lede in Silent Alarm. — fox 16:43, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Recording and production

"battled with depression" -> "existential crisis" is what Higgs said.
- I've reworked this. — fox 06:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the recording studios listed in the infobox are not mentioned here.
- I've worked them into the article. — fox 06:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Composition

Indie pop art pop are mentioned in the infobox, but not here, why?
- A good shout. I've changed this to "art pop" and "art rock" to reflect what critics wrote, and referenced them in this section. — fox 06:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

- Would you like just the first reference to be linked? — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, you don't need the links there. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 01:22, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - Okay, I have removed. — fox 16:43, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
30 (thefourohfive.com): Publisher is missing.
- There is none; The 405 is independent. — fox 23:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then The 405 is the publisher. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 01:22, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - Okay, added. — fox 16:43, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Categories

Category:Indie pop albums by British artists
Category:Art pop albums
Category:Albums produced by Stuart Price
- Added - thanks! — fox 16:53, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the late answer, it has been an awful week here. One last thing I didn't notice at first @Fox:, if you are going to use WP:ALTTEXT all images require it for consistency. Other than that, I see no other problem. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 19:08, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Tbhotch: That is totally fine, I absolutely understand! I will add this to the other images now. Thanks again for your detailed review! — fox 20:29, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Fox: Passing the nomination. You can also consider the Wikipedia:Did you know process for it. Good work. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 21:07, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]