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Karnali[edit]

This article should be in title Karnali. Accepted Ghagra is its name in India but this river is known as Ghagra in a very short span i.e. after crossing Nepal-India border till it reaches to Ganges. Karnali is the longest river of Nepal and has a significant drainage area that is almost all of the Mid-western Nepal. Please move it to Karnali.--Ganesh Paudel (talk) 10:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merger of Ghaghara and Karnali[edit]

This is the same river known by two different names in two different countries. Why can't they be discussed in a single article? --Bejnar 02:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The river being known by two different names in two different countries could be due to a variety of historical, cultural, or linguistic reasons. However, discussing this phenomenon in a single article might be challenging for a few reasons:
  1. Length and Depth of Content: An in-depth exploration of the historical, cultural, linguistic, and geographical aspects of a river known by different names in two countries could require a significant amount of content. Combining all these aspects into a single article might make it excessively long and difficult for readers to follow.
  2. Distinct Perspectives: Each country may have its own unique perspective on why the river is named differently, often rooted in their history, culture, and language. Attempting to include both perspectives in a single article could lead to a lack of clarity and potentially oversimplification of the complex reasons behind the naming differences.
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  4. Cohesion and Structure: Organizing an article covering multiple dimensions of the same river's naming differences might be challenging. Without a clear structure, the article could become disjointed and difficult to follow.
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Given these challenges, it might be more effective to create separate articles that delve deeply into each country's perspective on the river's naming, its historical context, cultural significance, linguistic origins, and other relevant factors. This approach would allow for a more focused and comprehensive exploration of the complex reasons behind the river's dual names in two different countries. Iamdigitalrohit (talk) 04:58, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should not be merged into one but linked together. Karnali River and the name in particuliar has a lot of significance to the people of Nepal, especially in the mid-west where the official name of a zone is Karnali and unofficially the region known as Karnali Region. Thus, I suggest it be linked together but not merged into one. Dolpali 05:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The name of River Karnali should not be merged as "Ghagara". Ghagara is in India and Karnali is in Nepal, although water in the river is same. Karnali is the name from where it originates as a River, river first flows through Nepal. It should be appropriate to merge "Ghagara" to Karnali River. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.148.97.69 (talk • contribs).

Kali and West Rapti important tributaries[edit]


The Kali River (western boundary of Nepal) joins the Ghaghara inside India, as does the (West) Rapti River that drains an area between the larger Karnali and Gandaki basins. High flows on the Rapti have caused serious floods in India and the river has been the subject of proposals for flood control projects. 76.80.9.100 16:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Geology[edit]

Major parts of the Geology section were a copy&paste job from the PDF given as a reference. There are several problems: Copyright violation, an utter lack of any relevance whatsoever to the article's subject, and the text was just an excerpt, with some parts of the PDF omitted; thus, some sentences seemed to take on a new meaning. Thus I removed the entire Geology section. Huon (talk) 12:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Objection to redirect[edit]

Karnali River is the longest river in Nepal. Karnali is the identity of mid-west and Far-west Nepal, the merger of these articles and redirect of Karnali to Ghagra insulting Nepal. This article should be in title "Karnali River". Please do not impose Indian name over it.--Ganesh Paudel (talk) 10:06, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see why it'd be better to "impose" the Nepali name on the river than the Indian name. For comparison, Encyclopaedia Britannica uses the same naming scheme we do. Huon (talk) 11:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Why impose Indian name over Nepalese River then?--Ganesh Paudel (talk) 09:19, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, we use the same naming scheme as the Encyclopedia Britannica, which is well aware that the river's name in Nepal is different from the one it uses. We have to choose one name as the article's title; why not follow the precedent set by a highly respected source that's neither Indian nor Nepali and thus not tainted by any national biases? Huon (talk) 12:33, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Karnali River[edit]

Karnali(Nepali: कर्णाली Karṇālī [kʌrˈnɑːliː]; Hindi: घाघरा Ghāghrā [ˈɡʱɑːɡrɑː]; Chinese: 加格拉河) The Karnali river is a perennial, torrential, turbulent and undisturbed river of the Himalayas, which is one of the three major rivers of Nepal, the other two being Gandaki or Narayani River and Sapta koshi River. It originates from Mansarover and Rakes lake and receives many snow fed rivers such as Mugu Karnali and Humla Karnali at Himalayan belt. The Karnali basin lies between the mountain ranges of Dhaulagiri and Nanda Devi, in the western part of Nepal. In the north, it lies in the rain shadow of the Himalayas. The Karnali river has its origin in the perpetually snow covered Himalayan mountains. 

Gorgeous scenery of KarnaliThe Karnali river is the longest river in Nepal, 507 Km in length, forms several gorges with its swift currents. A 202 Km long, Seti River, its feeder stream, drains the western part of the catchment, and joins the Karnali River in Doti north of Dundras hill. Another feeder stream, 264 Km long Bheri river, drains the eastern part of the Catchment and meets the Karnali River near Kuineghat in Surkhet.

It makes a spectacular gorge near Chisapani which contains diverse kinds of trans -Himalayan and sub-Himalayan fish species.

The bottom of the Karnali River is mostly boulder-strewn at its upper reaches and sandy at its lower reaches and the river water is clean except in rainy season. Its depth ranges from 3-10 m but in deep gorges varies from 50 m-100m. Karnali fans divides into two main channels, first Geruwa on the left and Kauralia on the right near downstream Chisapani.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diwakaradh (talk • contribs) 01:53, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://wildlifenepal.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/karnali-river-the-longest-river-of-nepal/

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Create a page for Karnali River or Rename page as Karnali River[edit]

Karnali river has lot to discuss as it is formed by seven different rivers and has huge significance in western Nepal. There should be a page to describe that. And the river plays historical, geographical and political role in Nepal. In India it's just a short river with only irrigation purpose. So I request to rename or create a page of Karnali River. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yudhir Aacharya (talk • contribs) 09:08, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to agree that Karnali has huge significance to Nepal. Please file a WP:Request for move. It would have a better chance of success if it is backed by reliable sources. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think too that you should file a request for move. As of now, the Nepali name of this river IS already mentioned in lede, so no need to create a new page. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 11:09, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Sharda River[edit]

The Sharda River is mentioned in the lead, but is not mentioned in the text section under "Course". Either remove it from the lead, or substantiate it in the main section of the article. I note that a quote in one of the citations mentions the Sharda. --Bejnar (talk) 22:03, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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