Talk:Ghaleb Nassar Al Bihani

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revert -- see talk[edit]

I reverted a recent edit as per this discussion. Geo Swan (talk) 06:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am reverting this. The unattributed direct word-for-word quote -- constituting close to half of all the intellectual content of the NYTimes docket on Al Bihani. I explained to the contributor who has plugged similar direct, unattributed, word-for-word quotes into one hundred articles that this a bad practice. They said they would "think about it". But in the weeks since I drew my concern to their attention they have made zero efforts to clean up after themselves.
  • I am reverting this edit. I dispute it is "original research".
  • I am reverting this edit because I do not believe the contributor who made it has addressed my concerns as to why the NYTimes link should be considered superior to the original link. One trouble with the NYTimes link is that some of these documents were published multiple times, in multiple divergent versions. The New York Times has not said which version they copied.
  • I am reverting this edit. Contributor has removed valid and useful wikilinks from this and close to a hundred other articles, with the misleading edit summary "clarify and unlink interpretation of questionable source". This contributor has made no serious attempt to explain this wikilink removal. It seems to me that their calling the references a "questionable source" is a plain ordinary lapse from compliance with WP:NPOV. Geo Swan (talk) 16:41, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is all under discussion as well and you know that. See here, here, here and the other relevant discussions. Please do not start an edit war and engage in discussions and answer questions. You have been warned already multiple times please stop your edit war and engage in constructive discussions. IQinn (talk) 11:27, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to later readers -- short version -- the comment from User:Iqinn, immediately above. They were a perennial edit warrior, who routinely baselessly accused other contributors of edit warring, who was finally indefinitely blocked for edit-warring, after a series of blocks of increasing duration failed to curb their edit warring. The claim here that Iqinn had already made a meaningful attempt to discuss editorial issues is simply untrue.
  • Long version -- I won't include the long version as per beating a dead horse. Geo Swan (talk) 18:17, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

rough work[edit]

These links to the page numbers within the OARDEC documents may be useful to other contributors. Geo Swan (talk) 23:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

CSRT allegations 38-39
ARB 1 allegations 53-55
ARB 2 allegations 3-5
ARB 3 allegations 36-39
Another useful source is the The Guantanamo Docket. It is an interactive database provided and updated by the New York Times. The database is searchable and has the Pentagon documents (CSRT and ARB) included. Additional documents and reliable New York Times research regarding the detainees at Guantanamo are also provided. This is the link to the documents and research regarding Ghaleb Nassar al Bihani. IQinn (talk) 09:38, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation for the restoration to article space 2014-04-08[edit]

Ghaleb Nassar al Bihani is the fourth individual to face a Periodic Review Board. President Obama promised these reviews in 2009, and implied they would begin in 2010. In fact the mechanism for the reviews wasn't set up until 2011, and the first hearing wasn't convened until late 2013.

The previous three hearings were widely covered, and I suspect this one will be as well. It is scheduled for 2014-04-10 -- two days from now. I'd like the article on this individual to be restored and ready for reporters to read by the day of his hearing.

I changed the article to a redirect in August 2012, when User:DBigXray was nominating similar articles for deletion at a rate of half a dozen a day. DBigXray refused to recognize that no one could meaningfully respond to AFDs filed at such a rate. Eventually his conduct was called into question at WP:ANI. After I refuted his claims that he had no prior contact with me, providing diffs that showed his wikihounding followed directly after I made reasonable third party comments in a deletion discussion where he had made indefensible claims DBigXray permanently stopped using that particular wiki-id.

Anyhow, during his nomination of many dozens of similar articles I made the decision to change similar articles to redirects, since bringing such articles up to the wikipedia's current standards for inclusion had been taking me over half a dozen hours each.

Out of respect for the small number of contributors who very strongly feel practically no individual held at Guantanamo could ever meet our standards for inclusion I said I wouldn't restore any of these articles from redirects to standalone articles without first getting the opinions of reasonable third parties.

I will ask for third party feedback, but I restored the article to standalone status first -- so it will be ready to be read by interested parties on 2014-04-10. Geo Swan (talk) 17:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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