Talk:Gibbeting

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I have removed the reference to the Carthusian Martyrs on the grounds that (a) the original Wiki article cites no source (b) if sustainable it is not an example of a the use of a gibbet but an example of an unusual example of execution or death in prison. The original article is not explicit as to whether the deaths from starvation were intended or the consequence of neglect. GBH 23:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This page is very incomplete: It covers the Western world and the very western world (i.e. Britain) almost exclusively although "gibbetting" (by other names) was common in many cultures.

Ex. From the book "The History of Islam" by Payne. p 201 - 202 - the execution of al-Hallaj - March 26, 922.

"A criminal sentenced to death must die many deaths. First, his skull was smashed; then he was scourged; then his hands and feet were cut off; then the body was roped to the GIBBET and tar was applied to the bleeding stumps to prevent him from bleeding to death. All day he hung there . . . .

To be a good article, it MUST be expanded to other cultures.24.10.102.46 04:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. The word and practice of using a gibbett are culturally and historically specific. There is a danger of being misleading in extending an article cross culturally. The risk is that by including similar or translated references the original and accurate meaning of the word becomes confused. This is similar to the nineteenth century attitude of trying to translate other cultural practices into the English language and culture. The specific reference is interesting but I suspect is just such as usage. The victim is attached to something like a gibbett, for which the author uses the word as an easy equivalent. However, the practice is not the same, and this should not be patr of this article. By all means it could be a seperate linked article on related or similar practices. GBH 13:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you can preface the category "Display" with a trace to its earliest use in Babylonian law (it could actually go all the way back to Sumerian law i'm not sure but it definitely should be noted). Contrary to this article's implications common law was not the first to implement the gibbet as punishment.

Tom Otter[edit]

Although an interesting story this adds nothing. Also the story about the gibbet collapsing because people took souvenirs is not supported by the reference given. There seem to lots of other folklore/rural legens associated with Tom Otter's gibbeting and the murder weapon but they have no place here.GBH 09:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Added section on last gibbettings removed because it wasn't about the last (explaining 20 Oct reversion) and didn't seem to have a place in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.36.94 (talk) 21:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Math Error[edit]

First: In 1843 England outlawed gibbeting.

Then: In 1837, five years after the practice ceased in England, the body of John McKay was gibbeted on a tree near the spot where he murdered Joseph Wilson near Perth, Tasmania

OBSERVATION

I think this probably means that although the last acts were in 1832, the practise wasn't actually outlawed until 1843.

A search: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22John+McKay%22+%22Joseph+Wilson%22+%22Gibbet+Hill%22 produced no date. -- Mitch3000 04:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I also noticed this seemingly contradictory bit, and think it should be made clearer. Claireislovely (talk) 15:51, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gibbets on St. Lamberti/Münster[edit]

There are also three gibbets on the church "St. Lamberti" (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Lamberti_%28M%C3%BCnster%29) in Münster, made in 1535. They have been used for executions and the original gibbets remain on the church today (see http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/MuensterLambertikircheDirektesSonnenlicht.jpg). Any thoughts on integrating http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Muenster_Lamberti_Koerbe_6428.jpg? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.223.228.160 (talk) 12:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a list of gibbets in England. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.73.94.34 (talk) 23:49, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Gibbeting[edit]

The term "gibbet" can refer to any instrument of public execution (thus my recent edit). However, the term "gibbeting" refers specifically to the mechanisms and practices discussed in this article. Thus, I have renamed this article "Gibbeting".--AuthorityTam (talk) 16:20, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Dubious[edit]

"Gibbeting was a common law punishment, which a judge could impose in addition to execution. This practice was regularised in England by the Murder Act 1751, which empowered judges to impose this for murder. It was most often used for traitors, murderers, highwaymen, pirates, and sheep stealers and was intended to discourage others from committing similar offences".

The above passage, which is unsourced, seems dubious for more than one reason.

  1. 1. If gibbeting was already a common law punishment that could be imposed in addition to execution, the Murder Act 1751 cannot have "empowered" judges to impose it for murder — they must have had that power already.
  2. 2. That gibbeting was often used for mere sheep stealers seems most unlikely. It would undermine its deterrent efect to use it for routine offences.

Absent a reliable source for these statements, the first sentence should be removed, and "sheep stealers" should be removed from the second. Ttocserp 10:10, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dead or alive[edit]

The article needs make a clear distinction between the display of an executed criminal's corpse (as provided for in England by the 1751 Murder Act), and the use of hanging in chains as an actual method of execution (as in the case of Robert Aske).----Pontificalibus 07:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Citation Dead Link[edit]

Citation #6 contains a dead link. The citation states, “‘Rye area and tourist information’. Archived from the original on 12 January 2007” The website the words “the original” link to is: “http://www.jeakeshouse.com/Rye_Area_and_Tourist_Information.htm”, which when tapped/clicked, takes the user to a webpage that states it is “Forbidden” and “ You don’t have permission to access /Rye_Area_and_Tourist_Information.htm on this server.” I suggest editing the citation to replace the dead link to link to an alternative supporting webpage or remove the link altogether. Cpuaggie (talk) 22:05, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Public display" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

The redirect Public display has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 26 § Public display until a consensus is reached. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 07:25, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"United States"[edit]

All but the last of the examples given under the "United States" were in British Colonial America, not the United States, which did not exist yet. Gibbeting was never done under the laws of the United States.

The sole exception states that "After independence, a gang of Cuban pirates was gibbeted in New York c. 1815." and cites to an account of Captain Lawrence Kearney inserted in the Congressional Record in the 1850s, which I cannot find reproduced online, only indexed. This primary source of a single man's supposed account decades after the fact (which may or may not support the text cited) does not meet Wikipedia's sourcing criteria. Color me skeptical; if a gang of Cuban pirates was gibbeted in New York circa 1815, this would have been sensational and widely reported. The only gibbeting involving piracy in the West Indies I can find recorded in this period was at Port Galveston, in Spanish Texas, not America, in November 1819, done quite illegally by French pirate Jean Lafitte against another pirate.

This incorrect information is being reported elsewhere and should be fixed. Q729608 (talk) 14:29, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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