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Would William Goscombe John not be a more appropriate title for this page? KJP1 (talk) 15:12, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 26 January 2015[edit]

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Goscombe John → William Goscombe John – Preferred form according to the Union List of Artist Names (ID:500074049); see also the Dictionary of Welsh Biography, the Tate's website, Mapping Sculpture, etc. Ham II (talk) 15:04, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd argue the page should remain called "Goscombe John", per WP:COMMONNAME, because her was certainly widely known as Goscombe John - for example the BBC biography calls him this, as does the National Museum of Wales and the National Library of Wales, as does the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography which makes clear he was called William John but adopted the preferred name Goscombe as a young man. I certainly only know him as Goscombe John (though maybe I'm just an uneducated fool). Though I guess as long as there is a redirect from his alternative name people will be able to find his article here. Sionk (talk) 18:14, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Searching http://www.copac.ac.uk for book, article titles, etc. with the phrase "Goscombe John", a mixture of "William Goscombe John", "W. Goscombe John" and "Goscombe John" comes up (with a few "Sir Goscombe John"s from the National Library of Wales, so there's no question that he was called Goscombe as a main forename). There's not much to suggest that "Goscombe John" is most prevalent in sources, though, and that's what WP:COMMONNAME is supposed to be based on.
The NLW and ODNB sources you cite refer to him as "William Goscombe John" or "W. Goscombe John" first, and only when he needs to be referred to again by a shorter name as "Goscombe John", as if it were a surname like "Conan Doyle". The ODNB isn't explicit about "Goscombe" being his preferred name, and this would not be clear from most sources. The NMW's usage is more mixed: in the headline, "Goscombe John" (which could still be read as a surname), "Sir William Goscombe John" on first mention in the article text and both "Goscombe John" and (unusually) "John" thereafter. I prefer the convention in the ODNB and NLW sources to this; it's more straightforward. George Bernard Shaw, for what it's worth, was widely known as Bernard Shaw, yet that isn't the most common form of his name in print. Ham II (talk) 22:52, 26 January 2015 (UTC) (Sorry for the wall of text!)[reply]
Well, either way, as long as there is a redirect from his alternate names then people will be able to find the article. Clearly most academic sources are going to introduce him with his full name (birth name+pseudonym+surname) so I guess people could be validly searching for him under either. Sionk (talk) 17:27, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, there'll definitely be a redirect from Goscombe John. Ham II (talk) 13:01, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - article mentions he chose at a very young age to go by Goscombe as a first name. I agree with Sionk that most sources as academics would go by his birth name. Wikimandia (talk) 13:12, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Split page - Sculptures by Goscombe John[edit]

This article should be really just his biography, career and legacy. Too much is simply table format listing of sculptures, and it's a bit overwhelming at first glance. It would be ideal if it were written like Auguste Rodin, but that's a huge amount of work. What do you think about creating Sculptures by Goscombe John or List of sculptures by Goscombe John? That follows the format for other notable artists - eg Michelangelo and List of works by Michelangelo; etc. Wikimandia (talk) 13:25, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Any reason why this article's title does not include his christian name, i.e. William Goscombe John rather than Goscombe John? Neeone (talk) 04:12, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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