Talk:Gotta Be You (Sugababes song)

Gotta Be You (Sugababes song) was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
June 18, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on June 13, 2012.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Sugababes song "Gotta Be You", according to band member Keisha Buchanan, is the first use of the crunk genre by a British band?

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Possible nomination for deletion

Rules state that a song article can only exist and pass notability if it has either charted or received awards. This has received neither. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 19:46, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, firstly because that's not a rule, it's a guideline. Secondly, WP:NSONG dictates that a song can warrant a reasonably detailed article if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources. Chart and awards are not the only form of notability. Also, can u imagine if this information was in the Taller in More Ways article? It would be horrifically massive and uncomfortable. Till 01:15, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Till. An article does not have to chart to have an article. If there's enough notably on a song (which from a quick glance, I can see there is) then it's fine. WP:NSONGS states that: "However, many such songs, within that specific category, are notable and have long-documented histories of their origins, spread, performances, meanings, and lyrical variations. Statυs (talk) 01:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ty Status. Till 01:57, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable." And you've changed your tune Status, remember this: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Skin (Rihanna song). It has more info than Gotta Be You, and you was adamant that it should have been speedily deleted. This is what you wrote: "Sure, it is a well-written article, but it does not need the main criteria for song articles: charting and/or awards." So you are actually contradicting yourself. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 16:05, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notice that was from October 2011 – nine months ago, one can change their view on the matter in that time span; which I indeed have. Statυs (talk) 16:20, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder why. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 16:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe because people's opinions on things don't always stay the same? Statυs (talk) 17:11, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But Calvin (or Aaron) - it states that if the song charts or receives an award, it's probably notable. It doesn't say that it must chart or receive an award. Also, the song meets WP:GNG. One guideline shouldn't outweigh the other (WP:NSONG). Till 23:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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