Talk:Gowrie

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Etymology[edit]

This whole section is nonsense. The word Gowrie means "The goats' burn" - there is another one in Strathspey. It is Pictish. The area takes its name from the Gowrie - the stream that enters the Tay at Invergowrie - and so, in the first instance, the name will have been used by the Venicones to refer to a province of their area - the one beyond the Gowrie. And I am sure that this did not cross the Tay. When the old tribal areas of Scotland were reorganised into the seven kingdoms of Pictland, in essence Caledonia disappeared. Administratively Gowrie acquired a load of upland - the core being the watershed of the Ericht and its tributaries (Strathardle, Glenshee etc.) - albeit 'under' the greater Athole. In the days of the Venicones the Northern limits of Gowrie will have been somewhere short of Blairgowrie and only just beyond Inchtuthill. But after reorganisation it seems reasonable to suppose that the area stretched just a little beyond Pitlochry - probably not taking in the watershed of the Gairnie (which the Gaels then mangled into Allt Girnaig). Freuchie (talk) 12:55, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Geography[edit]

There is a load of nonsense here also. The main problem is that the writer has failed to understand the difference between the schire of Fothriff and the Deanery of the same name. As a deanery exclaves were no problem. But this extends far beyond this exemplar. Thus many of the places mentioned were not geographically within Gowrie (which was from the Gowrie to the Tay) and the whole section needs rewriting. Freuchie (talk) 12:59, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

The writer has failed to understand the history here. The large crown ownership was due to the Mormaerdom having been in the hands of Donalbane - so after the throne was usurped by Edgar it was particularly necessary for there to be a muscular regal presence in the area deemed most likely to revolt. So this paragraph needs a complete rewrite. Freuchie (talk) 13:03, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]