Talk:Grand Hotel, Birmingham

Grand Hotel, Birmingham was one of the Art and architecture good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
June 28, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed
April 11, 2013	Good article reassessment	Delisted

Current status: Delisted good article

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Grand Hotel, Birmingham/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Dr. Blofeld (talk · contribs) 17:21, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

General

Remove the apostrophes from the decades it should be 1920s not 1920's I believe. I've noticed a lot of grammar problems, especially missing commas. I've corrected a few. The prose is still a little rough around the edges but I've improved the worst parts

A problem with passing this for GA would be that things are due to change dramatically within two years. It will essentially become a new hotel and the current article would become out of date.♦ Dr. Blofeld 23:23, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I understand this but it would still be a good article for two years, at which stage it may become a former good article or be updated accordingly.Bs0u10e01 (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

"The hotel occupies the greater part of a block bounded by Colmore Row." I thought you said it was on Colmore Row but is also bounded by it?

Removed the on Colmore Row reference as it is on three roads.Bs0u10e01 (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who owned/operated the hotel and how many rooms did it have?

I don't have this information.Bs0u10e01 (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

please add more details on the projected plans of the new hotels, how many rooms and restaurants etc

Done.Bs0u10e01 (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

History

"As the 99 year leases on the buildings on Colmore Row began to end in the late 1860" Began to end in 1860 so had been there since 1761?

What is meant by "the hotel operator failed"

Removed 99 year reference to remove ambiguity.Bs0u10e01 (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Architecture

"The Colmore Estate insisted in the use of stone to add, status, grandeur and dignity to the north side of Colmore Row" Seems strange, since when does stone add "status, grandeur and dignity"? Its hardly gold is it?♦ Dr. Blofeld

In the context of other buildings at the tome in the centre of Birmingham there was very little stone and most buildings were made of brick and timber. So a row of stone buildings would look grand. Bs0u10e01 (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"It has been stated that the north side of Colmore Row presents the best ensemble of Mid-Victorian palazzo slendour." Who has stated this and in comparison to what? Literally the greatest ensemble of Mid Victorian palazzo splendour?

This is a quote from a book about Victorian architecture and was used in the application for listing i therefore feel it is important in the context of architecture in Birmingham.Bs0u10e01 (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Future proposals

"The strategy comprised cleaning all paint and render back to solid stone, replacing all failed stone and repainting with modern breathable paint." What is meant by "cleaning paint" and "breathable" paint, seems strange, I don't follow.

Cleared this up.Bs0u10e01 (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"and went on public consultation" "Went on" public consultation? Can you reword this?

Done.Bs0u10e01 (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"On the 26th April 2012 the planning application received unanimous backing from city councillors." citation please

Done.Bs0u10e01 (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

B. MoS compliance:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

Could still use a little polish but I believe it just about meets requirements. Thanks for taking the time to address the points. However, I would hope that you will take the responsibility to update this in the future as developments are publicised.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:13, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]