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A fact from Grannies Gone Wild appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 December 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a YouTuber predicted the crossover between My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and Rick and Morty long before it aired?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Grannies Gone Wild.

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 06:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that an article on My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic episode "Grannies Gone Wild" thought the children's show "can be even more fucked-up than [adult animated series] Rick and Morty"?~~ Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that "a rather random place" for a Rick and Morty cameo is "Grannies Gone Wild", according to Comic Book Resources? Source: [2]
- ALT1a: ... that Rick and Morty's cameo in "Grannies Gone Wild" was described as "rather random"?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Long Bow Trilogy

Created by Pamzeis (talk). Self-nominated at 09:47, 9 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - I'm not seeing a solid bedrock for notability—the Digital Spy source is RSP-greenlit, but it seems to basically be the only one, with Screen rant squeaking by and Vice being marked as no consensus. Are Comic Book Resources and Inverse reliable?
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Earwig is picking up a huge similarity and I'm not sure whether the website is to blame.

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - ALT0 is cited to Inverse, which may or may not be reliable.
Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Pamzeis: Some questions are going to have to be cleared up here first, but we're chugging along! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 01:43, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, after searching past the stuff about the Inverse scientific/mathematical theory or whatever, I found this Observer piece and this THR article. They establish that Inverse has an editorial staff which I guess puts it at marginally reliable. However, the site is published Bustle Digital Group, which also publishes Bustle, a source with unclear reliability per RSP. RSP says that Bustle articles should be used with an instance-by-instance basis (I don't know what that means). So, per WP:SOURCE, Inverse is teetering between marginally reliable and no consensus. The site is used for a (in my opinion) not-very-controversial claim (They appear as ponies waiting in line for the Wild Blue Yonder) and opinion (Corey Plante, writing for Inverse, thought negatively of its lesson, saying, "In some ways, Friendship Is Magic can be even more fucked-up than Rick and Morty." ... Plante found it especially strange since Rick and Morty is "fucked up".)

Comic Book Resources, on the other hand, is widely regarded as a reliable source for comics, etc. (see discussions here and here) and has been cited by WaPo, Daily News, CNBC, Vox, etc.

Regarding notability, I believe it is established with CBR, Digital Spy and Screen Rant (marginally reliable is still reliable and per RSP, it is reliable for entertainment-related topics).

On COPYVIO, I think I found several complaints about this site violating copyright so I wouldn't put it past them to copy from Wikipedia as well.

ALT0 is a bit of Inverse's opinion, not factual information of any kind so I think it is usable since we aren't aiming for FA-quality sources. Pamzeis (talk) 03:34, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pamzeis: I'm going to strike ALT0—the claim that either show is fucked up is a pretty controversial claim, and I'm worried that we're giving it both undue levity and thereby legitimacy. On a knife's edge, I'll accept the argument for notability, and the copyright question seems to be cleared up. I've proposed a slight modification to ALT1, we'll move forward with it if it's fine with you. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't really keen on ALT1 because cameos are nearly always random, IMO. How about this...
- ALT2:... that in an episode of children's show My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, the title characters of adult series Rick and Morty appear—one of whom is sociopathic in his original show?
- ALT3:... that "Grannies Gone Wild", a My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic episode set in "Las Pegasus", was mostly written in Las Vegas?
Pamzeis (talk) 06:46, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pamzeis: I'm not wild about either of those, honestly. To circle back to ALT1, is there a way we can emphasize just how unusual the cameo was, given the wildly different target audiences of the two shows? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:55, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pamzeis? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 01:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the delay. I've been contemplating on this. The only thing I can think that particularly highlights their contrasts is their characters—cuz, y'know, how FIM is about singing pastel ponies and Rick and Morty has a alcoholic sociopath. Maybe this...

ALT4:... that a YouTuber predicted the crossover between My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and Rick and Morty long before it aired? Pamzeis (talk) 04:42, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ooh, that's excellent. Good to go with ALT4! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:30, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Re: "...a YouTuber predicted that this crossover would occur."[edit]

I know it's already been on the main page's Did you know section (if it weren't, I wouldn't be here), but other than the Vice citation, what is it about that particular YouTuber's idea of an MLP-R&M crossover that makes it worthy to be considered a prediction as opposed to just a type of fan-pondered concept? What makes this particular YouTuber's story more noteworthy than those of everyone else who may have made this so-called prediction? – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 12:29, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think I just used the wrong wording. Instead of predicted, I should have used envisioned, etc. I've updated the article's wording. BTW, I just wanted to point out four people from DYK didn't notice this 🙄 Pamzeis (talk) 13:49, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Informal vote on which image would be good for the infobox header[edit]

I found a couple of good candidates. Which do people think would be the best choice for the article's header? Dogman15 (talk) 08:48, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dogman15 (talk) 08:48, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Late to the party, but IMO, none. They all seem to fail WP:NFCC#8, being not contextually significant to the reader's understanding. They would still be able to understand the plot without the images. Pamzeis (talk) 13:43, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]