Talk:Greco-Italian War

Italian Imperialism map colors

Can someone recreate the Italian Imperialism map with colors that meet basic accessibility standards? 136.27.11.233 (talk) 07:24, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2024

Please remove the "Greek victory" from the result section of the infobox or change it into "initial Greek success" or something similar, as it was some time ago. This "Greek victory against Italy" was added by an user after a previous edit request, despite that request being rejected twice by Actualscpscm. Altough the Greeks repelled the Italian invasion into Albania, Greece and Italy continued to fight the Greco-Italian war, the German intervention to assist the Italians is part of this same war and led to the Axis occupation of Greece. It's not like the Italians signed an armistice after the initial invason was repelled, both sides continued to fight. It's a single war, not two. 2A01:E11:17:40B0:C50:398E:AAEA:8B0B (talk) 13:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 01:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2024

In the phrase in the footnotes "Some of the Greeks' weaponry was also superior to the Italian; the Czechoslovak-madeHotchkiss machine gun"

A space is needed between "Czechoslovak-made" and "Hotchkiss" CasablancaEdit (talk) 23:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Jamedeus (talk) 00:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Result

See Template:Infobox military conflict

result – optional – this parameter may use one of two standard terms: "X victory" or "Inconclusive". The term used is for the "immediate" outcome of the "subject" conflict and should reflect what the sources say. In cases where the standard terms do not accurately describe the outcome, a link or note should be made to the section of the article where the result is discussed in detail (such as "See the Aftermath section"). Such a note can also be used in conjunction with the standard terms but should not be used to conceal an ambiguity in the "immediate" result. Do not introduce non-standard terms like "decisive", "marginal" or "tactical", or contradictory statements like "decisive tactical victory but strategic defeat". Omit this parameter altogether rather than engage in speculation about which side won or by how much.

Removed the overly detailed entry for result on the basis of the above. Editors might wish to consider 'See Aftermath section' instead. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 19:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Keith-264, this keeps being a problem. Obviously your version saying "Axis victory" was correct. Now some have done a 180 and changed it to say that the war ended with a Greek victory, which is just wrong. Surely Greece was able to stop the initial invasion and launch a counter-offensive into Albania, but the campaign continued: the Greek offensive stalled, an Italian counter-offensive was launched, the Italian counter-offensive also stalled, further actions occurred with the British sending also a land expedition while the Greek forces were being gradually depleted, and finally Germany coming in to help the Italians occupy Greece. Given that all these events form the war, how can one say the end of the campaign was an Allied victory? Calling it as such confuses a part of the campaign with the whole campaign. Similarly the territorial change is Greece being occupied by the Axis, not southern Albania occupied by Greece, that is an intermediate phase of the front. I don't understand why this is so difficult for some.2A01:E11:17:40B0:853B:13C4:7D4C:3CFB (talk) 14:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I have noticed it has been changed again with a summary of the events, obviously it's better than "Greek victory"...but I think the intro already summarises that sequence of events and we do not need the infobox replicating the intro. So, User:Jheeeeeeteegh, probably just "Axis victory" is better and more coincise and the occupation part should just link to Axis occupation of Greece.2A01:E11:17:40B0:853B:13C4:7D4C:3CFB (talk) 14:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Dear all, please read Template:Infobox military conflict before contemplating an alteration to the result criterion. A discussion of the difference between the Italian invasion and the German invasion should be in the Aftermath section and briefly noted in the lead. "result – optional – this parameter may use one of two standard terms: "X victory" or "Inconclusive". The term used is for the "immediate" outcome of the "subject" conflict and should reflect what the sources say." Seems straightforward to me. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 14:23, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi. For your information, I did not put the Axis victory in the result infobox. It was Keith's edit. Recently a Greek editor put a Greek victory in the infobox instead of Axis victory. But to avoid edit conflicts. I edited it to the See Aftermath section..Ciao! Jheeeeeeteegh (talk) 02:06, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Jheeeeeeteegh I see. What about the territorial change part, it says "Greek occupation of southern Albania until April 1941" but that is not a final result, and it does not say when this occupation started and that it followed the Italian invasion. So it's an intermediate phase. If we need to put all phases in, then we should put first an Italian occupation of Greek Epirus until the Greek counter-offensive succeded in pushing the Italians out of Greece, then a Greek occupation of southern Albania, and finally an Axis occupation of Greece....but I don't think that's needed. I think it should be only the latter. The various stages of the war should not be put there, they are already in the intro. The front being moved up and down during the war should not be put in the territorial change section, that is for the final result. 2A01:E11:17:40B0:B85C:7ADA:7C03:4F3 (talk) 04:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

The problem is, readers only needs a immediate outcome of the war. An X victory or a See Aftermath Section would be the only 2 options. I will delete the part where the Greeks occupied Southern Albania until April 1941. The purpose of the campaignbox is to summarise and finalize what did happen. But for my opinion (of course irrelevant) but I'm just stating my opposition here. An Axis victory here would be the only result here as the Greeks didn't dislodge the Italians out of Albania. If that really happened that would be a Greek victory. But in reality, the Greco-Albanian front from January 1941 to April 1941 was stalemate until the German intervention at the same time the Italian second spring offensive brought Greece to collapse as well the bulk of the Greek forces in Albania. Jheeeeeeteegh (talk) 05:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)