Talk:Greek life at the University of Georgia/Archive 1
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Order of Greek Horsemen
I reverted the last edit, which removed the sentence about the Greek Horsemen due to the article about the society being deleted. While the Order itself may not call for an article -- and certainly, the article that previously existed probably did need to be Speedy Deleted -- the organization does warrant at least a mention here. I'll try to dig up a citation (I guess there wasn't one before because of the separate article), but the group is certainly notable in the context of this article, its own article's failings notwithstanding. --SuperNova |T|C| 22:10, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Other organizations
Jackjackattack writes- I moved Xi Delta Sorority to the sorority part and took it our of the "other organization" part. It IS a sorority, just like all the others. It is just smaller and newer. But it is over 10 years old, so it is not a club. I know a member in it and it is very much a sorority. If someone wanted to change the sections to "National Sororities and Fraternities" and then have a section for "Local Sororities" or "Latina Sororities" that owuld be fine too. BUt putting it under "other organizations takes away from its true identity and makes it seem like a club. Otherwise, good article.
- You're very correct, Jja. When I moved all that over from the main UGA page, I didn't move anything around. Looking at it now, I think it's time someone (me, you, someone else?) tried to organize it a little better/more objectively. I'll work on it when I get a chance if nobody else takes care of it first. --SuperNova |T|C| 23:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
- PS: I added the section header, since this is definitely not about the Horsemen! --SuperNova |T|C| 23:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Add Phi Sigma Pi
I'm not sure if it qualifies, but there's a chapter of Phi Sigma Pi at UGA. --Imaginationac (Talk | Edits) 10:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC).
- Phi Sigma Pi is a co-ed honors society and not a Greek social organization. There are many dozens of such groups on the UGA campus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.108.141.2 (talk • contribs) 12:49, 15 April 2007
- Actually, I'm in PSP, and I know it's not an honor society, but listed as a fraternity (even the wikipedia article you linked to states that). It has an odd classification since historically its structure has changed. --Imaginationac (Talk | Edits) 20:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
- I stand corrected. You are right, PSP is not simply an honors society, but a fraternity, similar to professional fraternities such as Alpha Kappa Psi, Alpha Psi or Kappa Psi, which all have chapters at UGA. None of these organizations are included here because this article is about social fraternities and sororities. While it is difficult to draw a clean line between what groups constitute social Greek-letter organizations and non-social groups (in fact, AKPsi, Alpha Psi, and Kappa Psi all maintain houses and host social events at UGA), the traditional definition of "Greek Life" includes only the NIC, NPC, NPHC, multi-cultural, and local groups that are not identified with particular accomplishments (academic or otherwise), professions (with a few exceptions),or activities. For the same reason, service organizations such as Gamma Sigma Sigma and Alpha Phi Omega should not be included here as they are not social in nature and therefore not part of "Greek Life." Perhaps one bright-line test, if there is such a thing, is whether or not an organization is subject to the jurisdiction of the University's Office of Greek Life (referenced in the first paragraph of the Article). Similarly, another test may be where the Greek honorary organizations mentioned in the article draw their membership from. For example, the Order of Omega selects its members only from the membership of social fraternities and sororities and not professional, honor, or service groups. Finally, another distinguishing charcateristics of the "social" groups is exclusivity of membership, or in other words, if you are a member of one, you cannot be a member of another. So, for example, while you can be a member of Sigma Chi (social) and Alpha Phi Omega (service) at the same time, you cannot be a member of Sigma Chi (social) and Sigma Nu (social) at the same time. This rule is set forth not only by the individual social organizations, but also their local and national governing councils, such as the NIC. If non-social groups are included here, I would suggest the title and the subject matter of the article be changed to reflect its new scope - perhaps to student organizations at UGA or Greek Letter Organizations at UGA - and social fraternities and sororities be made a subsection of the new Article.
- Nice rebuttal. I agree that the scope of the article is should be better defined (the title is broader than what the lead paragraph states). --Imaginationac (Talk | Edits | Email) 23:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm the one who has been restoring Gamma Sigma Sigma and Alpha Phi Omega to the article. I agree that there are two different scopes here, one defined by the title (which to me *does* include Alpha Phi Omega and Gamma Sigma Sigma) and the other by the first paragraph, which clearly does not. I agree that the scope could be widened within the existing title, however my suggestions for a title for a narrowed scope are "Office of Greek Life at the University of Georgia" and "Social Greek life at the University of Georgia". In both cases of the narrowed scope I would not restore APO & GSS. Naraht 10:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
- I stand corrected. You are right, PSP is not simply an honors society, but a fraternity, similar to professional fraternities such as Alpha Kappa Psi, Alpha Psi or Kappa Psi, which all have chapters at UGA. None of these organizations are included here because this article is about social fraternities and sororities. While it is difficult to draw a clean line between what groups constitute social Greek-letter organizations and non-social groups (in fact, AKPsi, Alpha Psi, and Kappa Psi all maintain houses and host social events at UGA), the traditional definition of "Greek Life" includes only the NIC, NPC, NPHC, multi-cultural, and local groups that are not identified with particular accomplishments (academic or otherwise), professions (with a few exceptions),or activities. For the same reason, service organizations such as Gamma Sigma Sigma and Alpha Phi Omega should not be included here as they are not social in nature and therefore not part of "Greek Life." Perhaps one bright-line test, if there is such a thing, is whether or not an organization is subject to the jurisdiction of the University's Office of Greek Life (referenced in the first paragraph of the Article). Similarly, another test may be where the Greek honorary organizations mentioned in the article draw their membership from. For example, the Order of Omega selects its members only from the membership of social fraternities and sororities and not professional, honor, or service groups. Finally, another distinguishing charcateristics of the "social" groups is exclusivity of membership, or in other words, if you are a member of one, you cannot be a member of another. So, for example, while you can be a member of Sigma Chi (social) and Alpha Phi Omega (service) at the same time, you cannot be a member of Sigma Chi (social) and Sigma Nu (social) at the same time. This rule is set forth not only by the individual social organizations, but also their local and national governing councils, such as the NIC. If non-social groups are included here, I would suggest the title and the subject matter of the article be changed to reflect its new scope - perhaps to student organizations at UGA or Greek Letter Organizations at UGA - and social fraternities and sororities be made a subsection of the new Article.
- Actually, I'm in PSP, and I know it's not an honor society, but listed as a fraternity (even the wikipedia article you linked to states that). It has an odd classification since historically its structure has changed. --Imaginationac (Talk | Edits) 20:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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Cleanup requested
Hey, I don't know if this is the right place to do this, but I cleaned up the "notable alumni" section as best as I could. Some of these people need more citations, and I'm not sure how notable some of them are. Would anyone be willing to clean this up further? Lbr123 (talk) 02:55, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Krystal Warrior?
I'm not a Delt, nor did I go to the U. of Georgia, but is the nickname for Delta Tau Delta really "Krystal Warrior"? We always called them just "Delts" back here in Illinois.--User:grfnkmp 12:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC-6) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.89.69 (talk)