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Greek love was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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On 3 August 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Cultural impact of Classical Greek homoeroticism. The result of the discussion was Not moved.

Requested move 3 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 05:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greek love → Cultural impact of Classical Greek homoeroticism – The phrase "greek love" is misleading. An alternative option would then be to e.g. move it to "greek love (idiom)", but that too wouldn't be as precise as this previous title - which is now a redirect - used to be. Biohistorian15 (talk) 10:24, 3 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would support Classical Greek homoeroticism as a title. I think the "Cultural impact of" part is excessive. BD2412 T 16:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But that isn't the subject (and it should be "ancient" not "classical"). We have Homosexuality in ancient Greece, Pederasty in ancient Greece and no doubt others for that. Johnbod (talk) 16:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Not sure how "misleading" it is, & the proposed alternative is pretty clunky. Again, it should be "ancient" not "classical" - Classical Greece is a narrower term. Johnbod (talk) 16:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support that term was used at a time when they didn't call a spade a spade. It has no value other than as a relic of an era. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article is clearly mainly about the term and how it's been used, and does not focus only on the Classic period. As Johnbod Homosexuality in ancient Greece and Pederasty in ancient Greece already exist. I see no good reason to move the article too an overly verbose title.★Trekker (talk) 13:28, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Sexology and sexuality and WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome have been notified of this discussion. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:49, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for the reasons stated by ★Trekker and Johnbod. This article is about perceptions of ancient Greek cultural attitudes throughout history, and typically described by the term that is the article's title. It's true that the term was a euphemism, but it's a euphemism with a considerable amount of history and cultural significance. I don't see any utility in changing a title that we still recognize to one that would tend to disguise the subject. Since the topic itself is somewhat dated, in the sense that attitudes toward homoeroticism and homosexuality have evolved to the degree that euphemisms such as this and its historical justifications are no longer viewed as necessary, the subject lacks the cultural currency that would tend to result in a new title replacing the existing one. Thus the existing title seems preferable to the proposed alternative, or similar titles. P Aculeius (talk) 02:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: The article already covers the term's history and usage, so renaming it to focus on a single time period seems unnecessary. Waqar💬 15:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.