Talk:Green Island (Fortune), Newfoundland and Labrador

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Title[edit]

If we consider the status of the island unclear, the title cannot be refered to the Newfoundland and Labrador ? right ? Kisscool57 (talk) 16:59, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. If it is claimed by two states, if its sovereignty is unclear and it is de facto administered by no-one, then Wikipedia should not state in the title that it is part of Canada. Aridd (talk) 10:19, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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"Dispute" between France and Canada[edit]

@Julienbch:, you added a citation-needed template with the comment "Territory disputed between Canada and France". Do you have a reliable reference that there is in fact a sovereignty dispute over the island? I can find nothing in English. The French Wikipedia article doesn't have a reference on the "dispute" (other than a WP:OR reading of a couple of treaties, which say the island's status is ambiguous). A comment by the French/Canadian/Saint-Pierre and Miquelon governments would be best. --Inops (talk) 20:31, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Land border[edit]

The March 27, 1972, agreement between Canada and France on their mutual fishing relations determined the demarcation of the limit of their territorial waters. This agreement confirmed Green Island’s location on the Canadian side of the boundary line. The boundary touches two Canadian islands at their low water marks (which are defined as the minimum low tide mark).

A U.S. State Department document lists nine turning points on the boundary. Points (4) and (5) touch islands.

"The Annex to the Agreement specified that,

"The line which determines the limit of the territorial waters of Canada and the zones submitted to the fishery jurisdiction of France extends northward and westward in a series of eight connected straight lines joining the following points: ...
"Point (4) The low water mark on the south­ westernmost point on Enfant Perdu (Canada). Latitude 46°51'20"N., Longitude 56°05'30"W. approximately.
"Point (5) The low water mark on the west point of the south-westernmost island of the Little Green Island group. Latitude 46°51'36"N., Longitude 56°05'58"W. approximately."

Point 4 is not equidistant from French and Canadian territory; it is located at the low-water mark off the southwest point of Enfant Perdu, a Canadian islet.

Point 4 and 5 are separated by a distance of 0.35 nautical miles. Point 5 is not equidistant from the two sovereignties, but is located at the low-water mark on the west point of the south-westernmost island of the Little Green Island group, which is Canadian.

The coordinate locations stated in the text of the 1972 agreement are described as approximate, meaning that the actual locations described in the wording govern the demarcation. The Google Maps aerial view displays the straight line boundary with endpoints at the stated approximate coordinates for Points 4 and 5, with this boundary line crossing one of the islets comprising the Little Green Islands. This line from Point 4 to Point 5 runs in a northwesterly direction.

If one instead uses the Google Maps aerial view to inspect and specify accordingly Point 4 (”the south­ westernmost point”) and Point 5 (”the west point of the south-westernmost island”), the resulting boundary segment also crosses one of the rocky Little Green Islands, which are elongatedly shaped with major axis in a north-to-south-southeast direction. Therefore, a land boundary, estimated at 54 meters in length, seems to exist. Jeff in CA (talk) 00:56, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A question: "fishery jurisdiction of France" does not sound like territorial border, more like economic zone, which is not territorial water.--BIL (talk) 18:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The U.S. State Department document states, "Annexed to the [March 27, 1972,] agreement was a declaration delimiting the territorial sea between the Canadian province of Newfoundland and the French overseas territory of St.-Pierre and Miquelon." The U.S. document concludes, in summary, "The territorial sea boundary between St.-Pierre and Miquelon (France) and Newfoundland (Canada) utilizes both the equidistance principle and negotiated locations in delimiting the 54.34 - nautical-miles boundary. ... Islands were both considered and ignored as locational factors in the boundary delimitation." Jeff in CA (talk) 00:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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