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Built at Blackwall or Leamouth?[edit]

She was laid down by "Thames Iron Works at Blackwall" but their yard was at Leamouth in Blackwall? Robkam (talk) 23:48, 8 February 2010 (UTC) The yard was on both sides of the Lea it started on the Middlesex side (Blackwell), indeed its head office remained there in Orchard Rd but as it expanded it moved across the river to the Essex side where the majority of the works now developed. So it existed on both sides of Lea mouth and some way up the river towards Canning Town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.148.118 (talk) 17:46, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

Illustration available here. Needs to be cleaned up a bit though. Parsecboy (talk) 17:08, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A number of images here, none of Albion it seems, but a number of other battleships. Parsecboy (talk) 19:30, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

This has some details of the operations off the Dardanelles. Parsecboy (talk) 19:52, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Location of construction[edit]

Burt specifically states that Albion was "built by Thames Ironworks at Blackwall". Burt is an authoritative source on British ships of the era, and while it's possible he made a mistake, we would need fairly strong evidence to contradict him. Parsecboy (talk) 11:57, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I too checked Burt, here [1] (p46) and he does say Blackwall, ie London, not Canning Town side, ie Essex. The IP seems to know otherwise but I agree we must use Burt unless someone can with certainty show it was Essex. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 12:37, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I poked around a bit and noted there's a short film of her launching titled The Launch of HMS 'Albion' at Blackwall (see for instance here; the footage itself is available on youtube); I can't imagine contemporary filmmakers didn't know where they were. This book, also discussing the film, note that "...HMS Albion was being launched by the Thames Ironworks and Shipbuilding Yard at the juncture of Bow Creek and the Thames, usually known as Blackwall." Parsecboy (talk) 12:51, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is pure speculation by me because I do not know the specific area concerned, but if the shipbuilding yard does straddle two banks, London and Essex, it will presumable have its head office, and hence address, on one side. If on the left side, that would mean it would often, if not always, be refered to as TISY, London, which was its address. Put another way, London/Essex refers to where the shipyard was located, not where the ship was built. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 20:48, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]