Talk:HMS Tamar (1863)

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Launch date[edit]

Stated here that she was launched in January 1863, not june. Drutt (talk) 05:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is correct. She was launched on 6 January 1863. 146.66.62.213 (talk) 15:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Photo[edit]

I will bet my pension that the top photo is taken in Dockyard Creek, Grand Harbour, Malta, not at Alexandria. Dmgerrard (talk) 20:22, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The Box, Plymouth[edit]

The museum and every source based on the museum claims to have the figurehead of this ship. They have a figurehead that appears to have come from an HMS Tamar but that fits a lot better with HMS Tamar (1814) that was hulked in plymouth.©Geni (talk) 23:38, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General[edit]

There is so much wrong with the data on this page it is hard to know where to start. The citations from the Hong Kong Standard are from poorly researched articles with incorrect information. She was launched on 6 January 1863, not in June. Her first voyage, which began from Plymouth on 1st Jan 1864, was to the West Indies, NOT China. on 18 Oct 1869 she ran aground NOT off St Paul's Island, but off St Pierre et Miquelon, the damage was extensive and was not repaired until 7 Jan 1870 and the court of enquiry attributed no blame (the Hampshire Telegraph story, based on a parliamentary report, is wrong - the non attribution of blame is reported in the Portsmouth (Shipping and Mercantile Gazette, 24 December 1869, p.6). The ship was originally fitted with a tandem (side by side) funnel and was fitted with a single funnel in 1884 at the time of the fitting of her third engine and fourth set of boilers. On 13 April 1875, she grounded briefly on the mud at Chatham, after having embarked the 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards from Kingstown and disembarked them at Gravesend. The ship was not 'driven ashore' at Bermuda on 7 Nov 1875, but was grounded as a result of an error by the embarked pilot. She grounded at 1325 on 7 November and was finally back afloat at 0630 on 8th November - 17 hours, not 12 (the source is the ship's logbook). The BMJ reported 'several sailors', the facts were that a single sailor, a steward, died (the ship's logbook again). The Tamar was hulked in Jan 1895, refitted for the passage to Hong Kong in March 1895 and finally hulked again on 30 Sept 1895, not 1897. She was recommissioned on 1st October 1897, but did not become the nominal depot ship until Commmodore Holland hoisted his broad pennant in March 1898. She did NOT have continuous service as the base depot ship, but was relieved of that role by HMS Triumph in May 1914, only for the outbreak of WW1 to reprieve her on 14 July 1914, when the Triumph went into dry dock to be prepared for war service. The 'veracity' of the 'legends' about the mast and the wood for St John's Cathedral doors has bee challenged because the data shows them to be entirely false. The full story of the ship, derived from c.1,750 newspaper reports and a detailed examination of all of the ship's logbooks in The National Archives, can be found in Stephen Davies, Transport to another world: HMS Tamar and the sinews of empire, Hong Kong: City University of Hong Kong Press, 2022. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.66.62.213 (talk) 19:32, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]