Talk:Hanscotte centre-rail system

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A fact from Hanscotte centre-rail system appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 November 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that railroad engineer Jules Hanscotte developed a system for the safe braking of heavy trains on steep gradients, but its only significant use was on tourist tramways?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hanscotte centre-rail system.

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 00:52, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that railroad engineer Jules Hanscotte developed his Hanscotte centre-rail system for the safe braking of heavy trains on steep gradients, but its only significant use was on tourist tramways? Source: From La Société de construction des Batignolles de 1914-1939 pages 127-128
- ALT1:..that the Hanscotte centre-rail system was promoted as a system for the safe braking of heavy trains on steep gradients but its only significant use was on tourist tramways?
- Reviewed:

Created by AntientNestor (talk). Self-nominated at 11:05, 8 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hanscotte centre-rail system; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Comment: This is my first DYK application—QPQ doesn't apply.

The article is long enough and new enough. I assume good faith on the references that I can't access. Everything is reliably referenced. A QPQ isn't needed. SL93 (talk) 19:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AntientNestor and SL93: I have looked at this article many times wanting to promote it, but I get stuck trying to verify that the fact cited in the hook is in the article. If you want this to run on the main page, I really think the fact cited in the hook needs to be made more explicit and clearer in the article itself. Remember, by putting it on the main page, you're now asking a broader audience to read the article, and it should be reasonably straightforward for readers to verify that the claim made in the hook is actually in the article. (Also SL93: What about the references you can access? What is your assessment of possible copyright violations or close paraphrasing?) Cielquiparle (talk) 21:16, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Google has the text of the pages used as a reference here. These are cited in the article. Thanks for taking an interest.--AntientNestor (talk) 21:30, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead now expanded.--AntientNestor (talk) 14:52, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SL93: If all the concerns have been addressed, can you add a green tick and reapprove this? Z1720 (talk) 16:58, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Also pinging Cielquiparle, who is the one who actually detailed the concerns that was preventing them from promoting the nomination. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:35, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AntientNestor: Unfortunately I still cannot make sense of the claim made in the hook. Where in the article does it say that Hanscotte developed the centre-rail system specifically for safe braking of heavy trains on steep gradients? Perhaps it is implied, but it shouldn't take a technical expert to derive this if we're stating it in a DYK hook on the main page. Cielquiparle (talk) 20:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was the inventor who wanted to use the equipment for better traction and better braking, but the company employing him pursued development only with regard to better braking. The inventor had to go to another company to see his idea put into practice for traction. I don't know how to condense this into a hook.--AntientNestor (talk) 21:18, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:..that the Hanscotte centre-rail system was promoted as a system for the safe braking of heavy trains on steep gradients but its only significant use was on tourist tramways? --AntientNestor (talk) 22:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Approve ALT1 I've copied your alt up to the nomination to make things easier for the promoter. As for the article itself, with the issue of more explicit statements in the article itself to reflect the hooks used here, the article is long enough at over 3000 characters and was made on the same day of nomination. The sources appear fine and no issues in the copyvio detector. The alt hook is interesting and cited properly. The nominator only has one DYK credit prior to this, so no QPQ is needed. Looks good to go. Silver seren^C 00:39, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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