Talk:Harold Ware

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Photo up[edit]

I ran a photo of Ware up, hopefully the fair use rationale will be sufficient for it to survive.

I replaced the inadequate footnotes with CITE NEEDED for the espionage period, not because I doubt the claim, but rather because there needs to be page numbers of such evidence.

Tim Davenport /// Early American Marxism website /// Corvallis, OR /// Carrite (talk) 21:38, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Collective farming in Soviet Russia − the Franz Jung version[edit]

Franz Jung (1888−1963) was a German writer and in the first year after its foundation he ran the Workers International Relief office in Moscow and was this organisation's deputy to the Comintern. When the Friends of Soviet Russia announced their shipping of 24 tractors, it became his task to procure land, organize the fuel-supply and take care for the erection of rain shelters. He confiscated 30,000 desiatinas of connected farmland south of Zlatousk (Zlatoust?), whose owners were farmers dependent on it in their existence. Harold Ware and his 20 collaborators did their job in 42 days, ploughing 27,000 desiatinas and sowing the seed grain. No doubt, this was an extraordinary achievement, but Franz Jung also remembered Harold Ware as an intellectual of "insupportable arrogance", whose despise for the system was rather obvious. After two weeks Jung found out that the tractor happening had to do absolutely nothing with famine relief or the Friends of Soviet Russia. The group was not more than a test team of the Case Tractor Company checking opportunities for new business while leaving the cost of the promotion tour to the visited country — with a bit different camouflage they just had done the same in Greece and Turkey. The FSR connection had been simply a key to better conditions for the test. It didn't take to long until Jung realized to his embarrassment that they could not reap the harvest on such a large area with scythes. Ware formulated a demand for ordering combine harvesters but Moscow didn't answer. He now acted overtly as an agent of the Case Tractor Company, making an offer of 3000 tractors — and handing in an invoice of $ 30,000 for the job so far. In this phase of the comedy-like blackmail the reins were taken out of Jung's hands and the tractors disappeared from the newspapers. No combine harvesters did arrive and on the testing ground the grain got rotten on the stalks. (Franz Jung, Der Weg nach unten. Aufzeichnungen aus einer großen Zeit, (Neuwied 1961), reprint Salzhausen 1979, p. 231—238)----141.13.170.175 (talk) 19:19, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are "Chambers' Allegations" Just Allegations?[edit]

All mentions in this article of Whittaker Chambers and his allegations carry a biased (pejorative) tone, from the opening "right-winger" comment to the title and contents of the "Chambers' Allegation" sub-section.

The construction of this sub-section is strange. The author cites only _Witness_, the autobiography (not just expose) written by Chambers for information. Then, the author provides absolutely no counter-story or counter-argument. The years during which Chambers claimed that Ware ran the Ware Group are otherwise blank. Has no one come forth with a counter-narrative? If Ware was not running the Ware Group, what was he doing in the last years of his life? Such reticence suggests favors the Chambers narrative, rather than the otherwise. Further, where is the rationale for the Chambers narrative? And why would he have "chosen" Harold Ware in particular, of all people?

Will the author of this article please reply?

I look forward to interesting discussion about Harold Ware, who led a very interesting life. --Aboudaqn (talk) 13:49, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A year later... There is no one author of this piece but two primary authors — I've done the biographical stuff, in the main, and someone else has concentrated on the espionage allegations. The reason I don't have more on the later period is that I'm pretty much a specialist in the 1920s and it moves outside of my period. I personally believe that the charges against Ware with regard to espionage are GREATLY exaggerated — but it's not my main interest, emphasis, or concern. I don't doubt that Ware and those close to him contributed reports to Soviet intelligence, particularly on agricultural matters or government policy. But Ware is sometimes made out to be a massive spymaster, which is comical to me. I think, all in all, the article is okay the way it sits, even though it's a little bit schizophrenic in terms of emphasis. Those are the two sides of the coin anyway... Carrite (talk) 07:08, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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