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Concluded RfCs have decided on "Korea" over "Chōsen"[edit]

Hi CurryTime7-24. As per your request, I opened an RfC on WikiProject Japan about the terminology issue regarding your edits of "Korea" into "Chōsen". Although small, the RfC unanimously concluded that "Korea" (or a variation of) is best over "Chōsen". This was in addition to another RfC that was already conducted on this same topic which had already concluded the same; this one already should have been enough, but I honored your concerns and made a second RfC. For the record, this was also after another discussion that you abandoned here. You also refused to participate in this latest one. I think two RfCs that conclude unanimously against your decision should be enough. The name will be changed back from "Chōsen" to "Korea", as it was before your edits, on this page and others.

Please let me know your concerns. Holidayruin (talk) 04:03, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See my answers there. I still don't want to participate, but you can't close your own RfC. That's not me saying that, it's Wikipedia. Find an uninvolved editor to close your RfC, but I would also suggest you take the time to redo the RfC per WP:RFCNEUTRAL. You've waited this long for an outcome, may as well wait a little longer and have it done right. Wouldn't want to me to come crawling out of my izakaya or what not to derail you on a technicality, right? —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 05:46, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CurryTime7-24: The second RfC is unnecessary, the first one will suffice. I notice your belligerency and I feel something has gone wrong between us. I could not let "Chōsen" stand, I've produced numerous sources that attest to its offensive quality, and pretty much all modern sources use the term "Korea". I think we got off on the wrong foot in our initial encounter. Admittedly your denial of the term "occupation" in our first conversation rang alarm bells in my mind, as potential historical revisionism over such terminology regarding sensitive topics can always heighten tensions and stew mistrust. I may have I jumped too quickly to assume bad faith. Looking through your edit history I think this could be the case. My desire is to promulgate factual information that takes into account historical sensitivities and pains, which I'm sure you share. We all do on Wikipedia. I hope we can make amends. Holidayruin (talk) 07:30, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your conciliatory gestures would've been very appreciated way back in 2021, but you immediately proceeded to attack me personally rather than address the actual issue at hand, despite my repeated and polite urgings for you to stick to the issue. Your behavior and that of other Korean nationalists/pop culture obsessives was toxic enough that I decided to avoid articles relating to Chōsen from then on, despite that I write and lecture on its history, particularly its popular culture.

I don't begrudge you your desire to change or debate anything—differences in opinion are to be expected and encouraged. But poisonous conduct for the sake of chauvinist nationalist beliefs—no matter how "good" or "right" one thinks they may be—is deplorable. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 08:34, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry that's how you felt about it during this time. There was one instance I see where I called the "occupation" argument "ultranationalist tripe", which I do now think was too severe wording. Can you point me towards other instances where you felt I personally attacked you? Holidayruin (talk) 08:51, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CurryTime7-24, please do not wholly remove this talk section because you disagree with it. I opened a second RfC to entertain your requests, but quite frankly the first concluded RfC here is enough consensus to reverts the edits back to "Korea". Holidayruin (talk) 05:46, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CurryTime7-24: Never mind, the RfC tag appears to have been deleted by a bot. This issue was already solved in an official RfC and was already concluded. I was simply asking for opinions to placate your concerns out of kindness. There is nothing in Wikipedia:Requests for comment that says that I need to make a second RfC just because this article also belongs to two different WikiProjects. Nevertheless, WikiProject Japan appeared to agree that "Korea" was the better term. I am reverting it back to "Korea", please talk here before making reverts as the already conducted RfC is grounds enough otherwise. Holidayruin (talk) 06:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]