Talk:Helen Newlove, Baroness Newlove

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Merger proposal[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was No Consensus. Per WP:Merging, this discussion should have been closed, and the merge performed, back in September 2011. However, it was not, and since then Lowellian has presented a valid argument against the merge which has not been countered, or even answered. NukeofEarl (talk) 16:19, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that the article Murder of Garry Newlove be merged into Helen Newlove, Baroness Newlove, as per WP:BIO1E, WP:NEVENTS, and WP:NOTNEWS. Previous to the murder of her husband Garry Newlove, Helen Newlove was not notable, and her notability started with the murder of her husband. As such, this is a key part of her notability, and her eventual styling as a peer. The murder of her husband, however, is only notable as an event as a result of her actions, campaigning, and a feature of her rise in notability. It is not a sufficiently notable event in itself, as it was similar to many such murders that happen almost daily around the world. What made this murder notable is directly linked to the events that happened afterwards, namely the high profile it acquired not in a small part due to the efforts of Helen Newlove. In this sense, the murder is only notable as to the role it played in the rise of Helen Newlove to notability - so it doesn't warrant an independent article, but rather its own section in her BLP.

A historical view, rather than a news-oriented view, with writing an encyclopedic article in mind, supports the view that the encyclopedic subject should be Helen Newlove, and that the events that propelled her to notability are subjected to her BLP, not separate but integral to this notability.--Cerejota (talk) 21:08, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Late coming in, but I support this. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:04, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Baroness Newlove has been appointed as the "Victims' Commissioner" which gives her a public office, and therefore entitles her to an article on Wikipedia, so this should be the main article. Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:45, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Media coverage of the Garry Newlove case was heavy enough that it merited its own article. That Helen Newlove later gained enough notability to have her own article does not invalidate the previous notability of the Garry Newlove case. —Lowellian (reply) 03:08, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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