Talk:Hellyeah/GA1

GA Reassessment

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Article has fallen below standards. Comments regarding why to come in a few days. dannymusiceditor ^oops 00:43, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Note: This had been filed as an individual reassessment, but really I only did that because I have noticed that community ones seldom get any attention by themselves, and it gives me the discretion to delist it. I welcome any rational comments or votes to delist/keep it. Alright, let's begin before I forget again. After I'm done, I'm going to ping several members of involved WikiProjects on their stances. dannymusiceditor ^oops 20:58, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Lead

This is great for when it was promoted (over a decade ago), but it hasn't been updated since then. When it was promoted, the band was new, and its debut album HELLYEAH had only been available for eight months. Like I said, great on early content, completely absent of anything else. I'm thinking something like Gray's other band Mudvayne is at least more like it. Five Finger Death Punch's is a better example. Of course, this is because the article has more content, which is also a problem here.

• What's this genre that Allmusic hinted at, and is this statement even necessary for the lead?
• Is Kyle Sanders' relation to Troy necessary for the lead or is that better suited as body information? I think the latter.

History

The first two sections, Formation and early days and Hellyeah (2007–2008), are very good on content. However:

• The former section needs citations in the second paragraph beyond its second sentence, which includes quotes. That's a serious problem, however good the rest of it may be.
• The latter section's final paragraph is poorly written in general, though its citations are fine.

The other history paragraphs are lackluster in comparison. I can tell some effort has been put into Stampede (2009–2010), and I think that's okay and wouldn't warrant delisting if everything afterward was at about the same level or better...but I don't know if that would be acceptable for passing the article through another GAN today. That's all for now, I will continue again soon. dannymusiceditor ^oops 20:58, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Okay, so yesterday I found a few more unsourced/unverified statements in the article that I have tagged. These sections have good content, but could be sourced better. I have fixed some minor MOS/linking issues as well. There's nothing to source "Hellyeah" getting Satellite radio waves (I don't know if that's even important, but still), and neither are the other singles, but I can source that. In a little bit I'll get to the next few history sections - not much to be said, but there'll be something. dannymusiceditor ^oops 20:14, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Reviewing Stampede section again:

• First paragraph: First sentence doesn't need a colon.
• "Was on May 11, 2010 in Madison, Wisconsin"
• "the obligatory cocktails, good eats and familial brotherhood." I'm sorry? Copy-pasted? Link's dead so I don't know. That's inappropriate for Wikipedia without quoting it, and I think quoting it is inappropriate here.
• In fact, all that content is jargony ("tracking" and written as if it were a heavy metal news/interview article. It was likely copy-pasted, and the editor didn't to a fantastic job either. It needs copyedited.
• "The band members lived in bungalows on the grounds" What grounds?
• Not enough touring information.
• The second paragraph is too quote heavy.

Reviewing everything after that:

• "It was also announced that guitarist Greg Tribbett and bassist Bob Kakaha have departed the band, and were shortly replaced by Christian Brady (Magna-Fi/Überschall) on guitar and (Skrew/Bloodsimple/MonstrO) bassist Kyle Sanders (brother of Troy Sanders of Mastodon)." - Grade A mess.
• Anything more about the "No More" campaign? Does it need it? I'm not sure. I helped install that way back when, but I wasn't aware of how bad it was at the time.
• "Slayer was chosen to headline the 2015 Rockstar Energy Mayhem Festival. The bands Hellyeah, King Diamond, The Devil Wears Prada, Thy Art Is Murder, Whitechapel, Jungle Rot, Sister Sin, Sworn In, Shattered Sun, Feed Her To The Sharks, Code Orange & Kissing Candice also participated in the Rockstar Tour." - Rewrite.
• Unden!able (2016–2017) and onward needs more content. Surely you can do better than this.
• Tagging several areas for citation. There were some tours I didn't tag but I think they probably need it. Speaking of tours, the last few sections fail to mention any at all.

Style

Well cited, but rather short. Surely now that this band's been around a decade there must be more analysis available? I think more effort is warranted. It only covers the early days of the band, much like the rest of the article.

Wrap-up

If Eminem can't be a good article, this certainly can't (in this state). No better than a C-Class. Now come the pings to the leading Wikiproject contributors to see if any interest exists. It's a shame, because this band's kickass.

3family6, CelestialWeevil, Andrzejbanas, Ringerfan23, Myxomatosis57, Mashaunix, and Sergecross73: I know you guys are very experienced Wikipedians, many of you especially in music. What do you guys think? If you know anyone else you know would be available, you're welcome to bring them in as well. dannymusiceditor ^oops 03:26, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't know much about Hellyeah, but I'd love to help. What can I do? CelestialWeevil (talk) 04:15, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I'll go through and make some improvements here and there, I do agree with your assessment that it doesn't meet GA standards anymore. I'll try and work on it as much as I can in the meantime to see if it can be 'fixed'. RF23 (talk) 05:14, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I have left this open for what I like to call "friggin' years" (two months), and it has generated little to no interest from anyone. Vinnie Paul just died and still nobody's noticing. I'm afraid I have to delist this now. Not only does it have a massive number of problems, but it technically cannot be called stable right now. dannymusiceditor ^oops 18:38, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.