Talk:Henry Timberlake

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Date	Process	Result
March 26, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that during the French and Indian War Henry Timberlake was an emissary to the Overhill Cherokee whose journals became a primary source for later studies of eighteenth-century Cherokee?

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Images[edit]

Are there any images of Mr. Timberlake that could be used to illustrate the beginning of this article? --Orlady (talk) 23:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We've been looking for one. There is a book cover here with a sketch of a colonial, but we can't figure out if it's contemporary or modern (or if it's even Timberlake). There is apparently a mannequin of Timberlake at the Cherokee Museum.

Another option might be the cover to the 1765 edition of his Memoirs, if no contemporary or free-use image can be found. Bms4880 (talk) 00:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Map[edit]

Would there be any copyright or original research issues involved in creating a modified version of the map on the Little Tennessee River page that shows Timberlake's route? Bms4880 (talk) 00:51, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written:
Pass no problem there.
It is factually accurate and verifiable:
Not Yet The Article needs more references. Though it is thoroughly cited, it appears to only have five or so actual sources. More are needed to ensure that the article's neutrality is not in question.

I will look around for other sources to expand the coverage of the article, but I do not personally believe this should be an issue holding up the promotion of the article to GA status.

(a) provides references to all sources of information, and at minimum contains a section dedicated to the attribution of those sources in accordance with the guide to layout;
(b) at minimum, provides in-line citations from reliable sources for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons; and
(c) contains no original research.

These are the criteria taken from Wikipedia: Good article criteria. While I agree with you that more sources would be better, there is nothing in the criteria which even mentions the number of sources used, let alone that five sources is too few for an article containing only around 2000 words. -- PEPSI2786^talk 05:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added four additional sources for diversification. Bms4880 (talk) 22:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is broad in its coverage:
Pass no problem there.
It follows the neutral point of view policy:
Pass but without more sources, its point of view could be called into question as biased towards one author's opinion.
It is stable:
Pass no problem there.
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate:
Not Yet An image is needed somewhere at the beginning of the article to illustrate it. It looks very empty.

I moved the map up into the sections concerning his travels in the Overhill country in an attempt to fill a bit of that void you mentioned. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find any portrait of Henry Timberlake, so the infobox remains empty of one. -- PEPSI2786^talk 04:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the map to the top— in most every instance I've encountered a mention of Timberlake in various sources, an image of the map soon follows. I added a photograph of the Holston Valley, down which Timberlake traveled in the 1760s. Bms4880 (talk) 22:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Overall:
I put the article on hold, because I would say that it is very close to GA status. However, it needs more references and images to be of GA quality, in my opinion. -Ed! (talk) 22:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just thought I would point out that I am finished making changes. The article is ready for final review. Bms4880 (talk) 18:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I took a look over the article, and I think all issues have been addressed. So, because the original reviewer seems to have disappeared, I'll take the liberty of passing this. Noble Story (talk) 14:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage/child[edit]

In his memoirs Timberlake mentions having a wife, and an editor's note in one edition finds evidence of who she was.[1] However, it also appears that he had a son by one of Ostenaco's daughters.[2] 140.247.249.26 (talk) 02:47, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Connection to Henry Timberlake (merchant adventurer)[edit]

According to Timberlake's memoir, he was a third-generation American and his grandfather Henry Timberlake (merchant adventurer) was the immigrant ancestor. According to Dictionary of National Biography ref>https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Timberlake,_Henry </ref>, and the Wikipedia article on him, Timberlake did not settle in VA or Bermuda, two colonies where he bought property, but returned to England, where his family was based. He died there in August 1626. While the American Henry Timberlake (b. 1730) is mentioned in this same DNB article, there is no suggestion that the two men were related. More research is needed. It may have been that the younger Timberlake's father Francis was a son of the senior Henry, and accompanied him on his buying trip, staying in VA as the immigrant ancestor and administering his property. It would be useful to have this cleared up. Or perhaps the connection with the Timberlake (adventurer) was a family story.Parkwells (talk) 17:46, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]