Talk:Herndon Depot Museum

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This article on the Herndon Depot Museum was approved by the Herndon Historical Society to increase awareness of the museum's exhibits. The Herndon Depot Musuem displays some of the few remaining pieces of the USS Herndon destroyer. Also, the Herndon Depot building is unique as it was the location of a military skirmish conducted by John S. Mosby in 1863. The Herndon Depot Musuem holds the archives and historical records dating back to the years of the town's founding in the nineteenth century.

All material in Wikipedia articles must be attributable to a reliable published source (see WP:V). This new article contained much unsourced material. I have therefore added references to previously unsourced material where possible. I removed other previously unsourced material. Corker1 (talk) 00:06, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Museum hours[edit]

I've again removed the museum's hours from the article. I'd earlier deleted them; my deletion was reverted on the grounds that "WP:NOTGUIDE states that articles can contain dates of scheduled events if the dates are notable and definite." This, I think, is a misinterpretation of a passage that's actually in WP:NOTCRYSTAL, referring to "[i]ndividual scheduled or expected future events", not to regular schedules. The most relevant pieces of Wikipolicy that I can find are in WP:NOTDIRECTORY, which offers the example of an article on a radio station and states that the current schedule should not be included, and in WP:NOTGUIDE, where we're told not to include travel-guide material such as prices, phone numbers, etc.

Note that in the "External links" section, we've got a link to a Virginia.org subpage for the museum, which gives the schedule; and one to the Herndon Historical Society, from which one can follow a "Museum Information" link to a page with the hours. Interested readers can easily get operating hours there, without our needing to clutter the article with non-encyclopedic information. Ammodramus (talk) 20:32, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • It appears that the above comment takes a phrase in a sentence out of its proper context. A sentence in WP:NOT DIRECTORY actually states: "For example, an article on a radio station should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable." WP:NOT DIRECTORY therefore specifically permits the inclusion in an article of a "major event" or a "significant schedule". This would clearly include a schedule for a repeating or major event that is not likely to change. The days and hours that a museum is open to the public at the present time and on a repeating basis throughout the foreseeable future is such an event. In contrast, a current schedule such as one for an event that will occur only once would not be acceptable. This is an important distinction. I am therefore restoring the deleted information regarding the days and hours that the Herndon Depot Museum is open. Corker1 (talk) 21:38, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm afraid that I have to disagree with this interpretation of the passage from WP:NOTDIRECTORY. The crucial distinction seems to be between "current schedules", which are verboten, and "historically significant... schedules", which are acceptable. Clearly, the piece of information whose inclusion we're debating is a current schedule; so the question turns on whether it's historically significant, and thus permissible by the sentence's second clause.
To test this, let's ask a couple of related questions. First, if the hours were changed in the near future, would we keep the old hours in the article, along with the new ones? Second, if someone with a fondness for looking at microfilms were to research it, would we want to include a record of all the changes in schedule, e.g. "When the museum was opened in 1981, its operating hours were 2-4 p.m. on Tuesdays and Thursdays. From September 1983 to May 1984, it was only open from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. on the second and fourth Fridays of the month; during the summer of 1984, it added hours from..."
I suspect that if the museum had changed its hours before this discussion took place, then my fellow editor would have changed the hours in the article, but would not have kept the old ones listed as well. Just as the 1983 hours aren't of encyclopedic interest to a reader in 2014, neither will the 2014 hours be of interest to a reader a decade or two from now. This strongly suggests to me that the current operating hours don't meet the historically-significant test; that the only reason for including them is to facilitate visits to the museum; and that they should therefore be excluded under "Not a directory". Ammodramus (talk) 23:42, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute between two editors submitted to Wikipedia:Third opinion for resolution. 05:41, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:
While WP:NOT would generally support details such as opening hours, the very limited hours of this place are probably worth referring to as it casts light on the nature of the voluntary nature of the institution. Suggest something like 'The museum is maintained by volunteers, and is open for only three hours a week.' in the opening paragraph. Kevin McE (talk) 08:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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