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Advocacy and tone of article

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DEALT WITH: While it is certainly a noble cause to increase awareness of financial compensation that may be available from the German government for persons that were in hiding from Nazi aggression while children, it is not appropriate for a Wikipedia article to advocate or encourage specific action on the part of its readers. I mention this now, just because I am sure that if I don't, that there will soon be concerns posted about this article being too much like an advertisement, etc.

DEALT WITH: For instance: "The extra trauma suffered by these Hidden Children has been recognized in a most remarkable fashion... ...Any Hidden Child who reads this should in fact make a claim for this payment"

DEALT WITH; AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION - I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT ENTRY!!!! This is not to say that there is not information and perspective on this topic that could be added Wikipedia and provide additional resources and enrichment for its readers.

Have we considered trying to incorporate some of this information into the article Children in the Holocaust, and perhaps discussing potential enhancements on that article's talk page, with editors who have already contributed to that article?

I appreciate the efforts that have been put into this topic thus far, and it is because I think it is an important topic that I raise these concerns and am suggesting the approach above. KConWiki (talk) 15:45, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please restore to "Hidden Children." (two upper-case words). THANK YOU
It really should be "Hidden Children" (two upper-case words), and not "Hidden children" (ONE upper-case word).
The opening sentence of the article SHOULD be "Hidden Children (two upper-case words) were the (mainly Jewish) children who, during the Holocaust, were hidden in various different ways, in order to save them from the Nazis."
This is a "particular group" of children. This particular group is NAMED or called "The Hidden Children."
This has been INCORRECTLY CHANGED TO: "Hidden children were the (mainly Jewish) children who, during the Holocaust, were hidden in various different ways, in order to save them from the Nazis."
That current sentence is clearly WRONG: "Hidden children" (ONE upper-case word) refers to a MUCH LARGER group of children than as described in that sentence.
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A similar example: "Tehran children" refers to many many children.
BUT "Tehran Children" (two upper-case words) refers to s special group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran_Children_(book) or Tehran_Children_(book). Specifically Tehran Children (two upper-case words) refers to "nearly 1,000 child refugees who travelled from Central Asia to the Middle East as they fled the conflict in the aftermath of the amnesty for Polish citizens in the Soviet Union which allowed for a large scale evacuation of Polish civilians from the USSR."
Sadly there is no direct WIKI article on the Tehran Children (two upper-case words).
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Both "Tehran Children" (two upper-case words) and "Hidden Children" (two upper-case words) are terms that have been created by Holocaust scholars and others to represent certain defined groups that are part of Holocaust History.
I am an expert in Holocaust Studies, and I use both of these technical terms as NAMES of certain groups.
A name often has more than one word - think of the White House, or of your own full name.
Please restore to "Hidden Children." (two upper-case words). THANK YOU Kacser (talk) 03:10, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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NEW TOPIC: Should article be named "Hidden Children" or "Hidden Children?" Kacser (talk) 03:14, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
NEW TOPIC: Should article be named "Hidden Children;" or "Hidden children?" (one upper-case word)
Please restore to "Hidden Children." (two upper-case words). THANK YOU
It really should be "Hidden Children" (two upper-case words), and not "Hidden children" (ONE upper-case word).
The opening sentence of the article SHOULD be "Hidden Children (two upper-case words) were the (mainly Jewish) children who, during the Holocaust, were hidden in various different ways, in order to save them from the Nazis."
This is a "particular group" of children. This particular group is NAMED or called "The Hidden Children."
This has been INCORRECTLY CHANGED TO: "Hidden children were the (mainly Jewish) children who, during the Holocaust, were hidden in various different ways, in order to save them from the Nazis."
That current sentence is clearly WRONG: "Hidden children" (ONE upper-case word) refers to a MUCH LARGER group of children than as described in that sentence.
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A similar example: "Tehran children" refers to many many children.
BUT "Tehran Children" (two upper-case words) refers to s special group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran_Children_(book) or Tehran_Children_(book). Specifically "Tehran Children" (two upper-case words) refers to "nearly 1,000 child refugees who travelled from Central Asia to the Middle East as they fled the conflict in the aftermath of the amnesty for Polish citizens in the Soviet Union which allowed for a large scale evacuation of Polish civilians from the USSR."
Sadly there is no direct WIKI article on the Tehran Children (two upper-case words).
Clearly "Tehran children" (one upper-case word) refers to many many more children than does the very specialized group "Tehran Children" (two upper-case words) as defined above.
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Both "Tehran Children" (two upper-case words) and "Hidden Children" (two upper-case words) are terms that have been created by Holocaust scholars and others to represent certain defined groups that are part of Holocaust History.
I am an expert in Holocaust Studies, and I use both of these technical terms as NAMES of certain groups.
A name often has more than one word - think of the White House, or of your own full name.
Please restore to "Hidden Children." (two upper-case words). THANK YOU Kacser (talk) 03:10, 27 September 2022 (UTC) Kacser (talk) 03:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 September 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Hidden children during the Holocaust. (closed by non-admin page mover)Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Hidden ChildrenHidden children – Proposing lowercase since this term is clearly not a proper name and is not capitalized in the body of any of the cited sources that I could find (only in title-case headlines). I originally performed this move without discussion, but just self-reverted that after an objection on the article Talk page. Although I performed a self-revert in response to the objection, I still have the same opinion. The objection seems like advocacy of a different capitalization convention to me, as discussed at MOS:SIGCAPS, with the idea that capital letters should be used to signify that this is a "special group" of children. My impression is that capitalization to indicate specialness is not supported by Wikipedia policies and guidelines. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:25, 29 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.