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Ath Cliath section[edit]

We have a bit of a problem here as the Irish name Baile atha Cliath was first written down in 1368, in the Annals of Ulster. The other sources mentioned such as the Annals of the Four Masters were written down even later.

In other words, we don't know what it was called before it was called Duiblinn / Dyflin, and to name a whole section "Ath Cliath" is fanciful at best. I'm renaming it "Pre-Viking Dublin" unless anyone can come up with better. Some will say it is "likely" that it was called BAC before 795, others that it is just as likely that the Vikings copied Dubh Linn.Red Hurley (talk) 10:27, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Baile Átha Cliath may be a recent name, but Áth Cliath is a much older name that predates the Viking era. For example, it occurs in the Annals of Ulster in the entry for 770 AD: U770.10. Dublin is referred to as Áth Cliath Cualann in Poem 10, Sliab Bladma, in The Metrical Dindshenchas, Volume 2 Eroica (talk) 08:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good / thanks. That also confirms the theory that baile derives from the Norman ville. But was Áth Cliath a town or just a notable, useful ford on the river where some people happened to live?Red Hurley (talk) 16:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What's the "it" in question, though? Lots of claims being made here without a whole lot of evidence - "Ireland's oldest town"? Because there was an abbey near where it eventually developed? Karlusss (talk) 18:36, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No claims are being made here: claims made in reputable sources are simply being reported here. In Irish Historic Towns Atlas, No. 11 (Dublin, Part 1, to 1610), H. B. Clarke writes: [Dublin] was the first place on the island to evolve into a settlement whose economy was based primarily on craftworking and trading, and whose infrastructure was recognisably urban. In other words, Dublin was Ireland's first town. I have added some inline references to clarify. (Eroica (talk) 18:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Re: Slige Cualann[edit]

It seems to me that the account of the route of the Slige Cualann through Dublin is wrong. The accounts I have come across have the Slige crossing the Dodder at Donnybrook, then continuing along the Rock Road and on to Bray (see for example Gorevan's speech in the Dublin Historical Record, Vol 17, No 3). The route described here has it going due south, towards Rathfarnham. Can anyone justify the current account? User:Salomoh 02:08, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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