Talk:History of Dundee

Glad to see a lot of my content was retained when this new article was created! Thanks to Ydam for doing so. Adambisset 10:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC) There is no word in galic meaning Tay. So Dun Deagh cannot possibly mean fort of tay or fort on the tay, according to dundee city council [1]direct translation of deagh is fire therefore the original meaning of dundee is most likely to be fort of fire, possibly commenting on the fact that due to the laws height it would be difficult to capture. (Wildfireone 10:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)) foot ball puddy reilly played for the violet can you give me any information about the team and where they played pud was my grandfather[reply]

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I recently visited Dundee (summer 2010) and was delighted by its apparent regeneration from the state it was left in by the developments of 1960's and 70's (basically the previous time I spent any time there). May I suggest a section to reflect the architectural fall and rise of the city over this time? ToeRagged (talk) 10:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Important/Notable Dundonians sections[edit]

I think this section is misleading as Dundonian usually refers to someone born in Dundee - or at the very least someone who lived in the city for a long time. Churchill, Wilkie and Horsbrugh represented the city as MPs, but none of them was born or died in the city nor lived in it for any length of time so are not Dundonians. Perhaps a rename to Notable People Associated with Dundee would be better?

Also the infomration for Horsbrugh is wrong Nancy Astor and other women were Conservative MPs long before Horsbrugh. She was the first Conservative woman to sit in a cabinet, but this was after she left Dundee. I have changed this in the article with reference to three sources.

Dunarc (talk) 20:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have added 'and People Associated with Dundee' to cover the discrepancy. Dunarc (talk) 18:42, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Innovation section[edit]

At the moment this looks a bit like a trivia/list section. Would it be better to move it to earlier in the article and use it to discuss innovation in Dundee (not just Chalmers and Bowman Lindsay, but also people like D'Arcy Thompson, modern scientists who have worked in the city, such as Walter Speer and Peter Le Comber, Sir Philip Cohen and Dario Alessi, and subjects like video game developments. I think this is notable given the City of Discovery tag Dundee used for many years. Dunarc (talk) 00:07, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's unsourced and useless in understanding the city--I think it should just be dropped. Rjensen (talk) 00:21, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I agree that as it stands it is not much use. I do think more material on science and research would be good somewhere as it is a major part of the modern history of Dundee. Dunarc (talk) 20:06, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Discovery and Unicorn[edit]

I think the text "it (Discovery) returned to Dundee in April 1986 and is moored next to a purpose-built visitors' centre. The oldest wooden British warship still afloat, the HMS Unicorn, is moored nearby" is a bit confusing and could mislead tourists to Dundee. Discovery and Unicorn are not that close to each other - Unicorn is in Victoria Dock while Discovery is in a specially built dock on the site of the old Craig Pier, and the new V&A Dundee was built beside her. This means that the ships are now about half a mile apart as the crow flies. However, Discovery was moored in Victoria Dock close to Unicorn when she first returned to Dundee (indeed the picture in the article shows her in Victoria Dock so must be quite old). She moved to the new site in 1992 (it is called Discovery Point) and this is the purpose built visitors centre referred to. To avoid confusion I would suggest it would be better to say "it (Discovery) returned to Dundee in April 1986 initially being moored in Victoria Dock. Since 1992 Discovery has been moored next to a purpose-built visitors' centre, Discovery Point. The oldest wooden British warship still afloat, the HMS Unicorn, is moored in Victoria Dock". Dunarc (talk) 20:12, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In the absence of any objections, I have made the change as outlined above. Dunarc (talk) 21:51, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Toponymy section - spurious text.[edit]

I have removed the text "The real reason 'Deagh ' was in vogue is that there was an active volcano at the location of Dundee fort. . This now extinct volcano "The Law" spewed lava and fire . Pictish natives were very superstitious. That is why". As well as being uncited and failing to explain the connection between Deagh and volcanoes the text is complete nonsense. The Law was never a volcano, despite local myth, merely the remains of volcanic material (see Dundee Law). Even if it had been it would have been extinct for thousands of years prior to the Picts inhabiting the area, so they would have no knowledge of it ever having been a Volcano (and certainly never seen lava or fire near it). I am not sure if this was intended to be a joke,was just petty vandalism, or was a genuine misunderstanding, but whatever the case inaccurate material like this has no place here. Dunarc (talk) 23:30, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discovery photograph[edit]

The RRS Discovery photograph in the "Maritime industry" section seems to be rather old as it looks like it was taken when the ship was moored in Victoria Dock between 1986 and 1992 and not at its location of the last 30 years, Discovery Point. In the absence of a newer photograph, would it be worth amending the caption to note this? Dunarc (talk) 20:03, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]