Talk:History of coins in Italy

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Debasement of coinage

At Papal lira, we have this:

In 1866 Pope Pius IX, whose temporal domain had been reduced to only the province of Latium, decided to join the Latin Monetary Union. A new currency, the lira, was introduced with the same value of the French franc and the Italian lira. It replaced the scudo at a rate of 5.375 lire = 1 scudo : the rate was calculated thanks to the silver value of the old scudo (26.9 grams of 0.900 fine silver^{[citation needed]}) and the new lira (5 grams of 0.835 fine silver).^[1] However, the Pope's treasurer, Giacomo Antonelli, devalued the purity of the Papal silver coins from 900/1000 to 835/1000,^{[citation needed]} causing big problems for the Union, which later was forced to adopt the new standard.^{[citation needed]}

The chronology is very confused. When was the silver coinage debased (from .900 to .835)? ~~At the time of joining the LMU (and adopting the lira) or later.~~ The lack of citations makes it impossible to resolve without doing a lot of searching in sources, which really needs an editor with very high proficiency in legal Italian, I assume. If anyone can help, please revise the Papal lira article accordingly. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:49, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

LMU article says that it was after having become a member. But no dates there either. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:25, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Pinchera, S (a cura di) (1957). Monete e zecche nello stato pontificio dalla restaurazione al 1870 [Coins and mints in the papal state from the restoration to 1870]. Archivio economico dell’unificazione italiana. Vol. V, fasc. 3. Roma.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link) (cited in Rossi, Marinella (2013). La borsa di Roma dal 1847 al 1860 [The Rome Stock Exchange from 1847 to 1860] (PDF) (Thesis) (in Italian). Tesionline. p. 1. (first degree thesis))

no simple listing of coins and intervals

Howard from NYC (talk) 20:00, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For someone seeking specific coinage units for a given interval (i.e. 1632 to 1637) it is aggravating to be unable to search for 1600s or 1630s... never mind specifically 1632... yes I recognize pre-Unification there was dozens of coins produced by dozens of city-states but that why I turn to a curated resource such as this article... BTW this would be useful for just about every nation-state and/or currency... and I have no clue where to start the research...

[1] Pinchera, S (a cura di) (1957). Monete e zecche nello stato pontificio dalla restaurazione al 1870 [Coins and mints in the papal state from the restoration to 1870]. Archivio economico dell’unificazione italiana. Vol. V, fasc. 3. Roma.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link) (cited in Rossi, Marinella (2013). La borsa di Roma dal 1847 al 1860 [The Rome Stock Exchange from 1847 to 1860] (PDF) (Thesis) (in Italian). Tesionline. p. 1. (first degree thesis))

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