Talk:History of the Dutch language

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Statenvertaling fragment[edit]

The wording may be 1618, but the spelling has definitely been modernised. Shouldn't we use the original spelling? If so, I can provide it as my great-gran's old Bible has the original. -- Curt Woyte 09:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you can provide the a genuine 1618 bible text sure. Rex Germanus Tesi samanunga is edele unde scona 09:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can but it'll have to wait as it now transpires someone has borrowed the bit I need. -- Curt Woyte 09:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

that doesnt matter. Rex Germanus Tesi samanunga is edele unde scona 10:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proto Indo-European[edit]

I don't think the whole piece about the Proto Indo-European history is relevant nor necessary. Meursault2004 14:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it give a complete image ... but it's also somewhat confusing.Whould would you suggest?Rex 16:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well for a start we can look at the other articles about the history of other languages. I think that the History of the English language is a good article. Meursault2004 12:01, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do some cutting, and you tell me if you think it's an improvement okay? Rex 13:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is now a vast improvement over the original. It is now much more readable. Meursault2004 16:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

how many people are they in dutch[edit]

how many people are there in Dutch
how many dogs is there in Dutch — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.114.222.101 (talk) 17:54, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Dutch is noteworthy as the language of an outstanding literature..."[edit]

This is the second sentence of the second paragraph. It's problematic for two reasons.

One reason is that its wording is very awkward; I don't think I've seen anyone ever use the term "outstanding literature", much less refer to a language as a "language of outstanding literature". The second reason is that it's very nationalistic. This sounds like it was written by someone from the 19th century. I don't really think these subjective and nationalistic ideas should belong on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ourdearbenefactor (talk • contribs) 22:23, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Error in the vowel table[edit]

According to Proto-Germanic_language#ē₁_and_ē₂, ē₁ turns into ā for all Germanic languages except for Gothic. This phoneme is represented in the vowel table here as /ɛː/ --> /aː/. That leaves ē₂ to be represented in this table as /eː/(which falls in line with the IPA of reconstructed Proto-Germanic words). The paragraph in the Proto-Germanic page also discusses how Krahe treats ē₂ as identical to ī, which explain why the table currently states that both are merged in Old Dutch. What I however found is that Old_Dutch#Phonology states that the ē₂ in Proto-Germanic does in fact not become ī, but ie. This ie eventually merges with io and ia in Middle Dutch as is explained in Middle_Dutch#Differences_with_Old_Dutch. To give a concrete example, hier from Middle Dutch hier, from Old Dutch hier, from Proto-Germanic *hē₂r^[1].

So if the table is to be correct, the /eː/ may need to be moved down to beneath /eu/ in PG, become /ie/ in Old Dutch and merge with /io/ to become /iə/ in Middle Dutch and follow from there on. I am completely to editing so I hope someone with more knowledge on this can approve it and make the actual change in the table. Dinghwehs (talk) 00:35, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hier#Dutch

[1] ttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hier#Dutch

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