Talk:History of the Philippines (1965–1986)

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Renaming of "History of the Philippines (1946-1965), "History of the Philippines under Ferdinand Marcos" and the "History of the Philippines (1986-present)[edit]

According to the official gazette website about the third republic state stated here, the Third Republic ended when Martial Law was lifted and the Fourth Republic started in 1981. "Official Gazette" is the official publication journal of the Philippine government, and is managed by the Presidential Communications Operations Office which is a pretty legit source of the History of the Philippines since its the official government website. I seek your opinion about this particular renaming move I petition, if no substantial amount of opposition replies here, then I'll probably proceed with the change by January 2021. If the renaming gets approved, we will split Marcos' presidential term into two halves (1965-1981) and (1981-1986), I also suggest a change of these three articles: (1945-1965), Under Ferdinand Marcos, and (1986-present) into the Third, Fourth, and Fifth republics respectively.

Please write "oppose or support" whether or not you support this renaming. PyroFloe (talk) 05:42, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First Quarter Storm[edit]

Guys, the entry on First Quarter Storm is too long. Just provide a summary here and redirect it to the longer article of First Quarter Storm. BulanAtBaconaua (talk) 19:48, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I think this is a legitimate concern. There was a shorter version before and I agree to this.Phthalocyan (talk) 19:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How about make this History of the Philippines (1969-1986)?[edit]

Since Marcos' first term was a part of (actually, up to 1972) the third republic. In that way, we can rename History of the Philippines (1946-1965) into History of the Philippines (1946-69) or even the Third Philippine Republic. Then make this History of the Philippines (1969-1986) or the Fourth Philippine Republic and finally rename History of the Philippines (1986-present) into the Fifth Philippine Republic. --Howard the Duck 07:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure Marcos' second term from '69 to the creationg of a parliamentary form of government is still considered part of the Third Republic. So I think it would be just complicated if we split the Marcos' years into two since his tenure encompasses two republics. Also, can we expand this article? This doesn't justify 21 years of Philippine history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.207.19.56 (talk) 09:09, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes there's an issue with the lead. The 4th Republic did not begin until Marcos' inauguration in 1981, while the 3rd Republic arguably ended when martial law was declared on 1972. This means the lead has to be changed. –HTD 18:49, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Third Philippine Republic and Fourth Philippine Republic articles both presently redirect to this article. The Nth Philippine Republic articles have few links to them [1] [2]. The History ... (year–year) articles have many links to them [3] [4]. Changing the date boundaries of the titles of the History articles would necessitate a lot of cleanup work. Perhaps the Nth Republic articles ought to be rewritten as short articles which relate those topics to the relevant History article(s). Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd prefer to do with the French did, especially since there are clearly defined boundaries as to when each "republic" began. –HTD 04:39, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Are you saying that you would prefer to reorganize all the affected articles into an arrangement similar to that shown in the {{History of France}} template, repartioning the material contained therein and placing that material appropriately into the reorganized articles, and refactoring all the affected wikilinks? If not, can you provide a bit more detail on what you would prefer to do? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:22, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah something like that. The way the articles are titled it looks like how they were divided was via arbitrary years. In any case the history of the Philippines articles is divided into these eras (Pre-Spanish (Prehistoric and Classical), American, pre-Marcos Third Republic, Marcos era, Fifth Republic) the only deviation is this one and the Third Republic. The 1946-65 article should be about the Third Republic from 1946 to 1972, while this one should be about Martial Law and the Fourth Republic (1972-86). –HTD 05:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)Oh, I think I see... Something like the following:
  • Do what I described above, but limiting it to whatever is needed to adjust the boundary between the Third and Fourth Republic articles and affecting the present (1946-1965) and (1965-1986) articles, including renaming those present year-range articles with a different boundary year and creating temporary articles with the current year-boundary names as placeholders and soft-redirects to the rewritten and renamed articles; those temporary placeholder articles to be removed when they become WP:orphans.
  • Put year ranges into the piped names of the wikilinks in the {{History of the Philippines}} template so that it would more closely resemble the {{History of France}} template.
  • Over time, audit the History .. (year–year) articles, against the other articles, with the objective of (first) converting the History ... articles into WP:SS switchboxes, and (possibly eventually), eliminating them when they become orphans.
That would be quite a bit of work, but it's probably doable. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:58, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You have books, right? Does it tell you when the 3rd republic ends and when the 4th republic starts? –HTD 04:40, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've never liked the "Nth Republic" namings, and I've never seen a nice neat list with start & end dates. It's probably something like this:
Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:11, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(added) Also, there's the unnumbered Republic of Biak-na-Bato (1897), which isn't currently linked in the {{History of the Philippines}} template, and possibly other governments or insurgent movements which should perhaps be linked there. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:46, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

also a[edit]

Is this also a notable book by Peter Drucker? The New Society --Emesee 14:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting permission to change title to Fourth Philippine Republic[edit]

I am making this request because I would like for it to have have a level of consistency with these other related pages:

Furthermore, I was thinking of posting the same topic on the talk pages of History of the Philippines (1986–present) and History of the Philippines (1946–65) regarding their respective titles, but I'm not sure if I should proceed since it might be misconstrued as spam. Then there is also the matter of Ferdinand Marcos, considering that his first term as President was during the Third Republic while his second and last terms were during this period, I was thinking of splitting coverage of his presidency in respect to these terms as a way of preserving continuity across articles. If there is no problem with making the requested changes to the titles, I would like to begin editing them immediately. If there are problems with my request, please let me know. :)

Spellweaver 14:47, 6 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starfall (talk • contribs)

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:History of the Philippines (1946–65) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 04:29, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bolding and Nth Republic definitions[edit]

This recent edit re bolding caught my eye. Please see MOS:BOLD.

While looking at that, I noticed that the lead of this article asserts that the Third Republic ran from 1965–72 and the Fourth Republic ran from (1972–86). However, I note that Third Republic of the Philippines redirects to the History of the Philippines (1946–65) and Fourth Republic of the Philippines redirects to History of the Philippines (1965–86). From a quick look at the receent editingm history of this article, these contradictions predate the most recent series of edits. These contradictions need to be resolved. At the moment, my internet connectivity is so bad as to preclude my looking at this in any detail. Would someone else either edit this article so as not to contradict other articles or, alternatively, begin a discussion here about how these contradictions ought to be resolved?If the discussion needs to involve multiple articles, please see {{contradict-other}} and {{contradict-other-multiple}}. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your first point, I was reliant on

The most common use of boldface is to highlight the first occurrence of the title word/phrase of the article, and often its synonyms, in the lead section. This is done for the majority of articles, but there are exceptions.

My main motivation was consistency and the convenience of our readers.
As to your second and more substantive point: well spotted, Bill! BushelCandle (talk) 05:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on History of the Philippines (1965–86). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 16:13, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on History of the Philippines (1965–86). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 10:13, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification needed[edit]

See this edit. Perhaps some clarification is needed in the article re the change in the character of the Marcos government during his time in power. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 12:48, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Does this article still "additional citations for verification"?[edit]

The cleanup template saying the article "needs additional citations for verification" dates back to 2008. Does it still hold true? Or maybe we should change the template to something less vague? - Koakaulana (talk) 04:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Communist rebellion in the Philippines as an "event"[edit]

This edit caught my eye and struck me as unhelpful -- especially to readers unfamiliar with the abbreviations used here. However, it also struck me that neither "Communist rebellion in the Philippines" nor "CPP–NPA–NDF rebellion" is a datable singular event. Hwoever it is named here, this should probably say something like "beginning sf the [whatever]". Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:59, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:History of the Philippines (1946–1965) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 09:33, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion[edit]

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 03:52, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_the_Philippines_(1965–1986)&oldid=1201350854"