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CatStepan2006, I do not think you understand what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is based on facts, not deductive thinking or speculations. Could you, please, provide necessary references? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 19:17, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Leaders of parliamentary factions were announced. There was no mentioning of Medvedchuk, Vakarchuk or Poroshenko. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 19:17, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://interfax.com.ua/news/political/574598.html This year's statement. If in March he declared on behalf of the People's Front, then he did not leave the party. And yes, it is precisely the leaders of the PARTIES, not the factions, that are placed in the table with the opposition leaders. In an article about the Groysman government, Sadovy, who had never been in the Rada, was included in the list of opposition leaders. --CatStepan2006 (talk) 19:26, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://strana.ua/news/219204-ostavjat-li-u-zelenskoho-avakova-na-dolzhnosti-hlavy-mvd.html https://strana.ua/news/219473-pravitelstvo-alekseja-honcharuka-novye-ministry-biohrafija.html Something else. --CatStepan2006 (talk) 19:30, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I never heard of parties becoming a coalition partner by default.... If People's Front (Ukraine) does not openly declare that they are a member of the Honcharuk Government they are not a member of this government... Does Avakov himself declares that People's Front is a member of the coalition? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 20:29, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

By the way: Sadovyi's party had seats in Parliament during the Groysman government.... People's Front has no seats during the Honcharuk Government period.... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 20:32, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

But "Ukraine, Forward!" There is an article about the second government of Azarov, despite the fact that they were not in the Rada. --CatStepan2006 (talk) 08:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Ukraine, Forward!" publicly supported the second Azarov government. So far Self-Reliance and People's Front have done nothing of the sort.... It is not a good idea to simply use logic when editing Wikipedia about Ukrainian politics (Wikipedia is based on sources anyhow). Ukrainian politics is extremely illogical compared with (but I hope not limited to) Western European, Northern American and Japanese politics. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 16:47, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See this archived website of "Ukraine, forward!". It clearly states that they supported their party leader appointment in the second Azarov government. I checked People's Front website today and they are so far silent about Avakov, Self-Reliance's website has not been updated for weeks. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:01, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

By the way Aliona Babak left the parliamentary faction of Self-Reliance (and parliament altogether) in March 2017. I have read nowhere what her current relationship with Self-Reliance... But I would not be surprised if she currently has no relationship with Self-Reliance... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:19, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yulia Romero: I think we should consider Honcharuk and the non-partisan member of Ukrainian parliament and government as non partisan politician, not members of Servant of the People. Like to Giuseppe Conte who is a non partisan politician who is close to M5S. --Panam2014 (talk) 22:37, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]