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1986 Honda CRX SiR or JDM Model

Where in the hell did this crap come from? this is full of made up information! there was NO "type R" model CRX. there was an SIR, but not until 1989 in the second gen body style! actually, from what i recall the SIR released in 1989 was a HATCHBACK not a CRX. 14 of these cars made? show me ONE. This whole paragraph is a bunch of made up crap! i tried to remove it, but it was put back and i was told my change was not constructive!!! SOMEONE CHANGE THAT CRAP NOW. NO SUCH MODEL EXISTS!

-KAYMO from REDPEPPERRACING.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.143.162.120 (talk) 02:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks like someone else removed it. In the future, using edit summaries will make sure you don't get wrongfully accused of blanking again. --Leivick (talk) 03:46, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

i DID use edit summaries! i explained the two changes i made. the d16a1 and the ZC1 ARE NOT IDENTICAL. parts DO interchange, but the ZC has bigger cams. no CRX came with a D16a1 because thats an american designation for INTEGRA engines. any FACTORY crx with a DOHC 1.6 will be stamped ZC1! there are some HP designations that someone has already listed with corrected numbers further down this page, and someone should incorperate these as well as change the part about the ZC and d16a1 being identical.

-kaymo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.143.162.120 (talk) 17:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

The problem was you didn't use an edit summary when you removed the section on the SiR. This comes up on a user watchlist with a tag saying (section blanking) which will almost always get reverted by people who actively search for vandalism edits. Also please feel free to make any improvements you would like, there is no reason to request that someone else do it, you are obviously knowledgeable on the topic. --Leivick (talk) 19:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Question

i have a crx hf 1990 i put a 1.6 v-tec head on it it starts fine but it over heats after a while n e body know why?

> Might be a faulty head-gasket or one of the wrong type. This would alow hot gasses to mix with the cooling-fluid.

>Also check for coolant leaks. If there is, maybe it's that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryou-kun16 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Move Suggestion

I suggest that this page should be moved to the correct name of of the cars - the Honda CR-X. I don't know about North American markets, but the "Civic" name does not appear on these cars elsewhere. In fact, the original CR-X in Japan was the "Ballade Sports CR-X" - therefore techinically it was originally part of the Ballade series (though yes, the Ballade was in turn based on the Civic). The second generation CR-X was known simply as the "CR-X". --Zilog Jones 19:20, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I own two 1985 North American Market CRXs (DXs),and in both original factory booklets it is listed as the Honda Civic CRX. Also, it is badged Civic on the passenger rear below the 1st gen spoiler trunk area, with CRX appearing in the center between the taillights. It has a Honda badge on the drives side in the same area as the Civic badge. TheOldSoul 07:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

According to Honda.com[1], it was introduced as the "Civic CR-X", and later sold as the "Ballade CR-X". I distinctly recall "Civic CR-X" badges on the early cars here in the USA, and just "CRX" on the later ones. --SFoskett 14:24, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
The first generation of the CR-X (the coupé one) was called Civic CR-X in Europe. The second generation (the targa top, called CR-X Del Sol in North America) was simply called CR-X in Europe. --Pc13 14:30, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
OK, I guess I was wrong about the first CR-X in Europe then. But still, AFAIK the second generation model was known simply as the CR-X with no prefixes, and the EF7 and EF8 are by the far the most common examples. To cater for both first two generations of CR-X, I still think just "Honda CR-X" would be the more appropriate title - and not forgetting the hyphen before the 'X', which seems to have been totally omitted in the current article. --Zilog Jones 16:37, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
I have moved the page to "Honda CR-X", to coincide with Honda's official name of the car ("CR-X", and not "CRX" - Google searches just prove people's laziness in writing hypenated acronyms), and to cover all bases in that the second generation model was known as the CR-X everywhere, and the first one was "Civic CR-X" outside of Japan and "Ballade Sports CR-X" within Japan - making "CR-X" the only common name between all models sold everywhere. I have also added A LOT of redirects to account for name variations and ommissions of the hyphen in "CR-X". --Zilog Jones 13:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Not to poke holes, but on the back of the Mk2 Civic Coupé CR-X (on my UK 16i16 at least) the hyphen is not present, nor is it present on any of the bodywork stickers, which may explain why the hyphen was missed originally? Perhaps it's not just laziness? --Kamrock 00:54, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
My undestanding is that for the Mk2, the JDM was badged CR-X and the EDM and USDM were badged CRX. Sounds like a well researched marketing decision to me! --Markcoffey 15:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, according to the Japanese honda sources, the first generation CR-X was called the Ballade Sports, and the 2nd generation was called the Cyber CR-X (nothing to do with the cyberkit). The CR-X was called CR-X in Japan, but CRX in all other countries, other countries had stickers on the middle rear section of the car, while in japan they'd have the Actual CR-X logo moulded on the rear centre piece between the lights.

I should also point out some errors Firstly the CR-X ancronym on this site is incorrect. The correct acronym from honda.co.jp is Civic Renaissance Model-X Secondly the 2nd generation CR-X was actually made till 1992, not 1991. As there are rare 1992 models(maybe i'm wrong on this as 91 made cars might be released as 92 models) Third, the CR-X SiR in Japan started from 1989 not 1990. Last, but not least, it states on this site that one of the rarest options was the glass roof, yet half of the models in japan had glass roofs (si, SiR, exclusive, Ltd edition and even 1.5x).email me for any questions or references. bumthology@hotmail.com - Proud owner of a CR-X

I don't know about half the models having glass roof. I have seen several JDM Mk2's (2 of my own and 15-20 owned by friends) and I've only seen 2 glass roofs. As for changes to the site, why don't you sign up and change the facts you believe are wrong - thats how Wikipedia works! --Markcoffey
Maybe you aussies got all the glass roof ones! -Markcoffey
In the US 1991 was the last model year for the CR-X. There was a mid-year (1991.5?) revision but to my knowledge there was no official 1992 CR-X in the US. There was a one year gap before the first Del Sols were introduced as 1993 models. -- former owner of a 1991.5 CR-X
The last 2nd generation CRX rolled off the production line late in 1991; any cars claiming to be 1992 or later do so because in some countries the model year is determined by year of first registration, not year of manufacture. I had a CRX 1.6i-VT registered in December 1992 but it was built in 1991 - this I know because I checked the VIN with Honda UK. Weasley one 18:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Another little known fact about CRX history is that there was a convertable edition made. It was called the CRX TT (which stands for Targa Top). There was only 300 of these cars made. Once in a while you can find pictures of an actual one online but they are very few. Today only a handful of actual TT's are around despite there being a bunch of aftermarket conversions where people tried to make their own TT. In summery, it exists but is kind of like bigfoot.

-Matt

To my knowledge the TT was not a factory model, it certainly isn't mentioned in any of the Honda brochures or car magazines I've collected over the years. It was likely some shop that chopped a bunch of them and badged them to appear more professionally done. I've seen a few CRX chop jobs, all of them horribly done. -Dawson 05:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Honda didn't make a convertible crx. I believe the convertible "model" you're thinking of are the 1st generation crxs that were converted by Straman Coachworks. If you want more information on this http://www.redpepperracing.com/ is the best place to go. Nuujinn (talk) 20:12, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Curb weight

The curb weight of the second gen CRX varied between 1988 and 1990 because of the alterations the door and doorframe to accomodate door mounted seatbelts instead of B-pillar mounted belts, as well as the change from rear drum brakes to rear discs.

CR-X in movies

The AMC Pacer page references where that auto appears in movies, should this page have that also? I know that CR-Xs appear in the Movie 'True Lies' a white one I believe, and also in Terminator 2: Judgement Day, one drives by during the motorcycle chase scene

There are a few glimpses of 2G CRXs in The Fast and The Furious, and one in Made in America (Whoopi Goldberg falls against in on her bicycle and sets the alarm off).Weasley one 16:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


has anyone noticed the similarity between the CRX and the Honda Insight?

needs a complete rewrite

All it is is atats. It needs information on the car, not just stats. Karrmann 05:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't need a complete rewrite. The page is fine as is.

I haven't visited this page in awhile, but wow, somebody has really raped it. It used to have so much more information. The references have been butchered. And who put the ugly body kit del Slo as an example of a CRX. Horrible. I will need to got the CRX community on this right away!

10:45, 20 June 2006

The page needs information rewritten in the newly made 1st gen and 2nd gen sections. Please revise this and remove the history, it is a useless section that can be done away with if organized correctly into 1st and 2nd gen.

Do not re-add this image

The image I'm reffering to is this image to be exact:

The reason: the pic is incorrect (Picture of Del Sol). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hondasaregood (talk • contribs) 18:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

Use this image: The Del Sol was not only the successor to the CR-X, but was sold as the CRX Del Sol in some markets. Hence the photo can be used to illustrate this.

Tartanperil 00:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't use this image: The CR-X del Sol is not a CR-X and anyone who thinks it is needs to do some proper research!(Ditto for that rubbish about criticism of the S2000)Hondasaregood 07:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


I agree this image should not be used, not only because the page states it's about G1 and G2 CRXs, but also because it's just plain a bad example of a G3 CRX.

Yes, a G3 CRX - they are indeed CR-Xs in some countries. They were sold in several countries as Honda CRX Del Sols - want some photos? Plenty here in New Zealand, and I dare say most of these were imported from Japan. Just because they weren't sold in the USA as CRXs doesn't mean they aren't CRXs. Tartanperil 12:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, in the UK and Europe the car commonly referred to as the Del Sol was sold as the Honda CRX and was a direct replacement of the 2G model.Weasley one 15:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

CR-X vs CRX

Further to above, I had though the debate ended with "CR-X" being the most correct.

However, Dmolavi has changed back to "CRX" offering a link to hondacars.com and a copy of the original CRX brochure as evidence (see history page). Both are wrongly used as reference to the generic name of the CR-X.

Certainly Hondacars.com refers to "CRX", however the Japanese Honda page refers to "CR-X". Dmolavi's "original CRX brochure" reference is for the series 2 (1988-), so not the original CRX brochure at all.

Now there's no debate that the USDM series 2 CR-X was called "CRX". But to assert the car's USDM name as it's world name is not only US-centric, but plain wrong.

As above the JDM name is "CR-X", and I can add to this that I own 3 series 1 CR-Xs all made in the CR-X's land of design, manufacture, and origin - Japan. All three are named "Honda Ballade Sports CR-X" or "Honda CR-X" on their legal papers.

Hence "CR-X" is the car's original name, in its original market - and hence the correct generic world name for CR-Xs.

Tartanperil 00:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

My bad, didn't realize the brochure was series 2. Feel free to revert my CR-X -> CRX edit. --Dmolavi 01:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

(oops, added my suggestions twice. fixed that)

Two suggestions

I think this page should be laid out much like the page for the Honda Civic with a section for the first generation, then second, then third/del sol.

I also think that much of the data from this earlier page (pasted below) can be incorporated sensibly with this new layout.

Models

Mk I (introduced 7/1983)

CR-X HF (USDM) 

   * Weight - 777 kg (1714 lb)
   * Engine - EV2 (1984), EW2 (1985), D15A2 (1986-87), SOHC 8-valve
   * Power - 58 hp SAE (42 kW)

CR-X Si (USDM) 

   * Weight - 897 kg (1977 lb)
   * Engine - EW3 (1984-85), D15A3 (1986-87), SOHC 12-valve
   * Power - 91 hp (66 kW) @ 5500 rpm / 93 ft·lbf @ 4500 rpm

CR-X (Unlabeled, but actually a DX) (USDM) 

   * Weight - 878 kg (1936 lb)
   * Engine - EW1 or d15a2, SOHC 12-valve (3-barrel carburetor)
   * Power - 76 hp (58 kW) / 85 ft·lbf

CR-X (UKDM) 

   * Weight - 878 kg (1936 lb)
   * Engine - D16A8, ZC DOHC 16-valve (fuel injection)
   * Power - 123 hp (58 kW)

Mk II (introduced 9/1987)

USDM

CRX Si 1.6 16v (1988-1991) 

   * Weight - 915 kg (2,017 lb) - (1988), 988 kg (2,174 lb) - (1989-91)
   * Engine - Honda D16A6 SOHC 16-valve I-4, 1595cc
   * Power - 108 hp @ 6000 rpm / 100 ft·lbf @ 5000 rpm (105 hp for 88 models)

CRX (Unlabeled, commonly known as DX) 1.5 16v (1988-1991) 

   * Weight - 872 kg (1,922 lb) - (1988), 954 kg (2,103 lb) - (1989-91) + 33 lb for AT
   * Engine - Honda D15B2 SOHC 16-valve I-4, 1493cc with dual-point fuel injection
   * Power - 92 hp @ 6000 rpm / 89 ft·lbf @ 4500 rpm

CRX HF 1.5 8V (1988-1991) 

   * Weight - 857 kg (1,819 lb) - (1988), 892 kg (1,967 lb) - (1989-91)
   * Engine - Honda D15B6 SOHC 16-valve I-4, 1493 cc
   * Power - 62 hp @ 4500 rpm / 90 ft·lbf @ 2000 rpm

European domestic market (EDM)

CR-X 1.6i-16 (ED9) 

   * Weight - 899 kg (1982 lb)
   * Engine - D16A9, DOHC , ZC
   * Power - 132 hp (95 kW)130 PS
   * Torque - 106 ft·lbf @ 5700 rpm
   * 0-100 km/h - 7.5 sec.

CR-X 1.6i-VT (EE8) 

   * Weight - 1010 kg (2227 lb)
   * Engine - B16A1, DOHC 16-valve, VTEC
   * Power - 150 bhp @ 7600 rpm
   * Torque - 112 ft·lbf t@ 7100 rpm
   * 0-100 km/h - 7.1 sec.

Standard equipment: 

   * Alloy wheels (14")
   * Part leather, part "leatherette" seats (embroidered with "CR-X VTEC" in red stitching)
   * Electric sunroof
   * Electric windows
   * Electric mirrors
   * VT spoiler

Optional equipment: 

   * Rubber dashboard mat (rare)
   * Air conditioning (rare, +20 kg/44 lb)
   * CR-X mats + mud flaps
   * CR-X armrest (rare)
   * CR-X fog lights (rare)

Japanese domestic market (JDM)

CR-X 1.5X (dual carb) (EF6) 

   * Weight - 840 kg (1852 lb)
   * Engine - D15, SOHC
   * Power - 106 hp @ 6500 rpm
   * Torque - 95 ft·lbf @ 4500 rpm

Optional equipment: 

   * Glass roof (+10 kg/22 lb)
   * Sun roof (+20 kg/44 lb)

CR-X Si (EF7) 

   * Weight - 890 kg (1962 lb)
   * Engine - ZC, 16-valve DOHC
   * Power - 132 hp @ 6800 rpm
   * Torque - 106 ft·lbf @ 5700 rpm

CR-X Exclusive

A special edition JDM Si with camel interior, wooden gear knob, glass top and upgraded sound system. It was produced only for 1989 and only for the Japanese market. 350 were manufactured.

CR-X SiR (EF8) EF8 Honda CRX SiR Enlarge EF8 Honda CRX SiR 

   * Weight - 970 kg (2139 lb)
   * Engine - B16A, DOHC 16-valve, VTEC
   * Power - 160 bhp @ 7600 rpm
   * Torque - 112 ft·lbf @ 7000 rpm

Standard equipment: 

   * Air conditioning
   * Alloy wheels
   * Half-leather seats
   * Power steering
   * Dual Map Lights

Optional equipment: 

   * ABS (+~20 kg/44 lb)
   * Climate control
   * "CR-X" mats + mud flaps
   * Glass roof (+10 kg/22 lb)
   * Sun roof (+20 kg/44 lb)
   * Centre armrest
   * Rubber dashboard mat (rare, possible option)
   * Folding electric mirrors (electric mirrors are standard)
   * Limited slip differential
   * Adjustable Headlights
   * Front bumper pole for parking
   * Rear Fog Lights
   * Heated Seats
   * Front Fog Lights


- I completely agree that this page should include raw information, but should start with a short description of the history of the CRX.

Keeping the Del Sol as a separate wikipedia entry is a better idea, because of the numerous changes to the frame, features, and direction of the car, as well as dropping the CRX/CR-X title as the namesake. Many USDM Del Sols were simply "Civic Del Sol" and didn't mention CRX/CR-X anywhere. Drummingpariah 22:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that most of the article is lumped into the introduction. It needs to be split into more sections, first generation and second generation. The additional specifications should also be incorporated. --Leedeth 11:07, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

"Rice"

The pictures on the CRX page are for reference. They can be any Mk 1 or 2 Honda CRX in stock form. This IS NOT A FASHION show, but feel free to post any and all trim levels of the CRX if needed. Please keep the pictures of CRX's with body modifications to yourself. If you absolutely must destroy the CRX's reputation, then at least add another section to the page noting "CRX Tuner Culture". Write it along the lines of different types of "tuning", from "sleeper" tuning, to body customization. Thank you.

Organization

First of all, the current article is biased towards the second generation of CRX's. There needs to be more information written about the first generation. Second of all, They need to be organized into two different sections, Mk 1 Honda CRX 1984-1987 and Mk 2 Honda CRX 1988-1992

VTEC arrival

The page keeps being updated with a statement that the CRX was the third model to receive the VTEC engine. The first VTEC-equipped car was the Integra, no arguments there, but the NSX wasn't launched until 1990; the CRX SiR was launched in September 1989 and early examples of the the European 1.6i-VT were also available in 1989. Therefore the CRX was the second car to come with a VTEC engine. Weasley one 18:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Interesting Note About Vehicle Manual

In the North American market vehicle manual, all of the locations given for various parts in the vehicle are wrong. Specifically, they are all "backwards". One possible explanation for this is that this information is correct for a JDM or Euro-market CRX (Right side drive) and that the book is simply the result of an exact translation, with no provision being made for the fact that the North American cars are left side drive. TheOldSoul 07:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

A new link

I belive the link to the forum of CRX-UK should be added, as it is a forum to dedicated CR-X owners and where you can get all the information you need and help and even parts. It is based in the United Kingdom and the main page link is www.hondacrx.co.uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by HauntedThoughts (talk • contribs) 03:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Straman not good enough for you...?

Mr. Leivick: Why won't you let the information on the Straman convertible be in the article? I wrote: "The R. Straman Company of Costa Mesa, CA converted 310 Honda CRX's into convertibles from 1984 to 1987. The Straman-built CRX Spyder was the cover car on July, 1984 issue of Road & Track Magazine. These conversions are known as a coach convertible." This is all correct info and it helps readers learn more about them. Let it be there! I have done a lot of research on this. Just becasue you are not familiar with it, does not mean you need to keep others from learning about it.

You also are trying to keep the links down, which I understand, but RedPepperRacing is the biggest forum for fans of the 1st generation CRX. It seems reasonable for it to be added as a link. Look it over and you will see what I mean.

What the heck?

So uh, what's up with the picture for the second gen? It's a piece of crap with bad body work! It should be replaced with a clean stock OEM loving one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snowblindmonk (talk • contribs) 06:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Gen1 CR-X Yr of production and engines

Can we please edit the main page and history to say that CR-X Ballade Sports was first produced in 1983 - September to be exact. Also one of the Japanese motors included in the AF chassis was the EW5 motor which is a 1.5L PGM-FI 12 Valve motor. [GENONECRX] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Genonecrx (talk • contribs) 10:54, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I know that this is not exactly the site to make this question but... I love this car and I'll get my own(ED9 130hp)... and want to confirm that: is it really 899kg?? I though it was 920kg. Well if someone confirms that... I would be very happy xD thx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.221.15.43 (talk) 17:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Honda Insight

As long as we've got this unsourced, heavily opinionated article, might as well mention the strong resemblance between the CRX and the Honda Insight. The Insight looks much more like a CRX than the CRZ does... 72.130.38.64 (talk) 23:53, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

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The Missing Honda CR- Family Member(when you see the word you be pissed you didnt remember)

Did everyone but me forget one CR vehicle from Honda, It seems you have most of them, I say CR vehicles because there not just the CRX or CR-X, the CR-V, the CR-X Del Sol, etc... there is their hinda tall, kinda goofy, and all CR- at heart, a ratty and healthy 4cyl and extremely lightweight vehicle, tiny and skinny tires and a sun roof, what am I talking about, im speaking about the CR-V, Tiny little 2 door and later 4 door mini SUV or what are now AUV, well I said it, go look all you want its right there in the name, the C, R, and -V. Lol HebrewLoc (talk) 23:01, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

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