Talk:Honor system at the University of Virginia

User ElijahBosley has edited this page a few times to reflect a very biased POV in which he claims that an accused student's lawyers "dictated" the re-trial. Given Casteen's long and thorough explanation of everything that went wrong with the first trial, it's clear that he did not receive due process and a re-trial was objectively warranted. Let's try to stick to facts rather than painting a desired picture. Omnibus (talk) 17:10, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Omnibus. First let me thank and congratulate you on a great many constructive edits to the U Va page. As to biased POV, I must demur. " [T]he Board of Visitors forced the Honor Committee executive committee to grant a new trial, despite the fact that no provision for new trials is made in the honor bylaws." here That documents direct administration interference, which is the main point. The subsidiary and less important point, that Leggett's 2nd trial was under special one-time-only procedures dictated by Leggett's lawyers, was succinctly stated in the Cavalier Daily at the time:"Leggett received TWO unfair trials," it said. President Casteen's explanation is not NPOV, it is self-justification. Un-cross examined, unvetted by newspaper reporters or historians. Recent events have reminded us how careful journalistic vetting is necessary; why direct source information is not suitable for Wikipedia. That said, Casteen's self-justification merits a link, for lack of a better (vetted) resource on his perspective. With best wishes, ElijahBosley ^{(talk ☞)} 18:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Race and honor[edit]

On a different subject--there were a series of Cavalier Daily articles comparing the percentage of white and black students facing honor charges. It was and is an incendiary topic. I have made no effort to collate that info. I confess that is because I find the subject distasteful. "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics" said Mark Twain. Still, there are those who believe in statistics. Care about statistics. Think statisics are meaningful. And there are unpleasant statistics about blacks vs. whites in the honor system. If somebody cares to try to draft a couple balanced sentences it might be appropriate here, my own misgivings notwithstanding. ElijahBosley ^{(talk ☞)} 18:35, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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