Talk:Hope & Co.

Is there any relation between this bank and Van der Hoop Bankiers? User:Krator (t c) 17:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes there is a relation, but just in the sense that Adriaan van der Hoop, who left a large legacy to the city of Amsterdam (now the basis voor some of the top pieces in the art collection of the Rijksmuseum) was a distant relation of the founder of this bank. The van der Hoops and the Hopes were also related in the 1700's, but by the time of Adriaan van der Hoop he was a second cousin once removed from Henry Hope. Jane (talk) 08:44, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

This article needs inline cites, infobox and a bio portal. It could be B class or better when completed. Enfermero (talk) 21:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Offices in Keizersgracht

The text below one of the photographs says that the offices had been in Keizersgracht for more than a century. They opened the offices in 1762, after 1815 they moved to Doelenstraat. This makes 53 years in the worst case. Another number which evokes doubt are the 16% slaves who have died on the ships. Philip D. Curtin (The Atlantic Slave Trade) gave 16.2% as an average value, which would mean that the activities of Hope & Co. met almost exactly the average. You can hardly believe this, as normally the rate on Dutch ships was some percent above the average. If this is just speculation, what's the truth in the rest of the slave trade story? Buist did not write about it.----141.13.170.175 (talk) 18:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, 141.13.170.175! Actually, in those days one didn't really speak of banking offices in the same way we do today. Since this bank tended to deal with many heads of state, the bank was more associated with the PEOPLE than with the location. Thus the offices were more often considered to be the residence on the left than the actual working area on the right. Adriaan van der Hoop was first a junior worker in the firm, and when he became partner he took over the living quarters of Henry Hope after he fled to England. As far as I know, he remained affiliated with Hopes until his death in 1848, and though the Hope & Co. company officially split into two after the settlement with the Hope heirs, it was still known as "Hope House" well into the 20th century when it became a library. It is not clear to me that the house was NOT affiliated with Hope&Co. after 1848. If you have data regarding this, please share it! As for the Slave trade issue, you are probably right. I got that info from a walking tour of Amsterdam, and as you may know, those tend to have dubious sources. You can go ahead and add your corrections. Be bold.Jane (talk) 07:31, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

So you are not sure whether Hope & Co. took part in the slave trade at all? English is not my mother tongue, for that reason I normally hesitate to do corrections in en:wi-articles. Furthermore I'm not that kind of expert in Hope & Co. But I did the German language translation and in some passages my impression really was, it could be "info from a walking tour of Amsterdam". ----141.13.170.175 (talk) 15:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Alas, it appears they did in fact, earn quite a bit in the slave trade. Perhaps I should reword it however, because the Quakers actually embarked in Rotterdam, but of course the slaves never appeared on the docks in Amsterdam. They embarked in Ghana and disembarked in the West Indies. Jane (talk) 17:31, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Where is the Hope art collection now days ?

Hi,

Great work on Hope & Co. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_&_Co ). I wonder if you know where is the Hope art collection now days ?

Thanks

Joe —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rissjo (talk • contribs) 23:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for the delay, I just noticed this comment. The art collection was built up specifically as an investment, and it was treated as collateral in many deals. It was never seen as a coherent unit to be treasured as a whole, but more as a collection of diverse ways of keeping collateral on loans in troubled economic times. The whole collecting career of the younger Thomas Hope was seen as a business venture by his father and Henry. For example, after Jan died, his wife ran a semi-permanent museum in Heemstede (at Bosbeek) in the summer and a semi-permanent museum in the Hague (Lange Voorhout, today the Escher Museum), while son Thomas was on his travels and busy collecting. The original pieces left by the Hopes when they fled the Netherlands in 1794 were never recovered, though the buildings in Amsterdam and the villa Welgelegen were actually "sold" during the French occupation to various business connections, so some money was recovered. Many statuary and wall decorations selected by Henry, his cousin Jan, and Jan's son Thomas in Welgelegen and Bosbeek/Groenendaal park still remain where they were originally installed. The smaller items were sold at auction or split among heirs. Henry Hope had an art inventory drawn up and it is in the possession of the Amsterdam Archives, though this has never been digitalized. The paintings that were too large to take to London and which remained in the possession of the bank, came into the hands of Adriaan van der Hoop, and these paintings are now among the most treasured and oldest items of the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam. Jane (talk) 11:43, 13 October 2011 (UTC)