Talk:Hormovë

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Foreign-language quotation[edit]

Çerçok, there is a proper way to include foreign-language quotations; per MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE. There is no reference for the English translation you included, and thus, if we were to have a quotation – and not a summary of the text as i alternatively attempted – the original quote would also need to be included. I also don't know in which language is the original quote written in; i mean the one from the primary source. Lloshi (2012), who is referenced in the Albanian article, possibly includes it in his book. But again, i am of the opinion that a summary would be better; in terms of readability, WP:PROPORTION, but also due to the lack of a properly referenced English translation. Last, even in its current version, the pronoun we in the quote would need to be omitted and replaced by they outside the quote, since the sentence is written from a third-person point of view. Demetrios1993 (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Journal of Balkan and Near Eastern Studies" accused for 'sponsored studies'[edit]

Accusations such as this one [[1]] needs explanation. For future reference the publishing house presents this widely respected journal as:
the leading English language journal for the study of modern international relations and the history, global economic relations and geopolitics of the former Ottoman and Soviet regions and states whose territories are in the Balkans and the greater Middle East.

Any objections should go straight to wp:RSN.Alexikoua (talk) 01:11, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As usual, irrelevant. It was not removed. On the other hand, you deleted well-sourced material. If you do that again you will be reported immediately. Çerçok (talk) 09:38, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As usual? No it concerns the specific incident. On the other hand there is no international journal that contradicts this information (Xhufi is a partisan source labelled as nationalist advocacy).Alexikoua (talk) 22:41, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. You deleted sourced information twice, despite the warning. That's it. Çerçok (talk) 23:06, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've provided full citation of a leading international academic journal. On the other hand you provided nothing concrete: just a couple of local authors that have been heavily accused for national advocacy. Since you can't question the quality of the journal above you owe a sincere apology to the community. Alexikoua (talk) 23:14, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stop removing sourced content. Çerçok (talk) 00:11, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You should stop removing sourced content by wp:RS (removing taylorandfrancis.com published scholarship in this case) [[2]]. Removing parts based on partial claims that are far from RS is something you should follow too.Alexikoua (talk) 00:32, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you should explain why you are falsely claiming I removed something when it is clear I did not. Btw, your personal opinion on what constitutes RS is irrelevant. There are places to open discussions on sources if you want. The only valuable thing in this section is noting your disruptive removal of sourced content. Çerçok (talk) 10:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alexikoua’s removal of sourced information here on absolutely no plausible grounds is very much disruptive to the article. As an experienced editor, they should know by now that it is against wiki policy to remove WP:RS content. Botushali (talk) 11:16, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Non-productive editing with misleading edit summaries [[3]] should be avoided. The 'Journal of Balkan and Near Eastern Studies' is among the top publications we have available. Also the Northern Epirus units were composed by both Albanian and Greek Orthodox men. That's a sourced statement.Alexikoua (talk) 04:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is not misleading edit summary, you are persistently attempting to remove well sourced material (as already pointed out by other editors above) while introducing original research not directly supported by the source. The source you added states Orthodox Greek villagers formed paramilitary bands to counter pro-Albanian groups. These Orthodox bands were composed of both Albanian and Greek-speaking males. You even removed a quote and reintroduced the template qn, which constitutes WP:disruptive editing. The quotes are there, and the current wording is accoring to the sources. – Βατο (talk) 10:14, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm adding this quote but all of the sudden it is removed by you. Don't do that again: it's called WP:disruptive editing: These Orthodox bands were composed of both Albanian and Greek-speaking males ages 15 to 55.Alexikoua (talk) 02:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's really childish to claim that 'Greek troops' were in the region that time since the Greek army had withdrawn since March 1914. The source (Kinley, Christopher (3 September 2021). "The Balkan War in Epirus: Religious Identity and the Continuity of Conflict". Journal of Balkan and Near Eastern Studies.) states it clear that Albanian and Greek Orthodox Sacred Band units were in Hormova. Also what makes a representative of a nationalist movement (Bibo) RS? We need to stick to scholarship not nationalist advocates not authors that their work has been negatively criticized due to "monoscopic perspectives" who "fall short of understanding how developments analysed and discussed in his work" (comments published by the Albanian Institute of Internaional Studies) as well as involvement in nationalist activism (hateful comments against the head of Orthodox Church in Albania, leading role in nationalist youth organizations etc etc.). Long story short: We don't need such low quality works. There is available scholarship and we can use it. Alexikoua (talk) 02:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The problem here is not low quality scholarship, but WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH, and removal of quotes while adding qn tags. Your statement "I'm adding this quote but all of the sudden it is removed by you." is false. Except you, no other editor removed quotes or content, it is just false argumentation that editors above have already pointed out, but since you have no real arguments, you persist also making personal attacks such as "childish". Stick to the sources and refrain from original research, the source you added clearly states: Orthodox Greek villagers formed paramilitary bands to counter pro-Albanian groups. These Orthodox bands were composed of both Albanian and Greek-speaking males, and the current version of the article states: "Those irregulars were Orthodox Greek villagers, both Albanian-speaking and Greek-speaking", which is exactly in accordance to the source. And "irregular Greek troops" doesn't mean troops of the Greek army. Your statement "It's really childish to claim that 'Greek troops' were in the region that time since the Greek army had withdrawn since March 1914." is just another poor argumentation by you. – Βατο (talk) 11:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Predatory publishing[edit]

MJSS falls into predatory publishing [[4]]. It's really weird for a business student (or bisness... as even the spelling is wrong in that publication) with specialty in tourism to become an author of a history paper.Alexikoua (talk) 04:39, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]