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Dark hair - mourning?

I doubt the description was a mistake. Where it was mentioned Sanguinius was in mourning, and from what I know about Greek and Roman (especially Roman) mourning activities they rubbed ashes into their hair to honour the dead. Maybe Abnett simply forgot to add the blondness to any of the other descriptions in the text. Lady BlahDeBlah 21:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps, but it doesn't mention anything about ashes in his hair (although I have to admit, it is a very plausable explination), and so I think it should still mention the fact that his hair is the wrong colour. However if you want to add that it's possible that ashes were rubbed into his hair, go ahead. The Haunted Angel ^{(The Forest Whispers My Name)} 22:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Conversely, we could take Horus Rising as a revelation of the truth and that Sanguinius' hair was actually black in life, but 10 000 years of mythic creative license have distorted his image into that of a blonde haired angel (much the same way that anglocised depictions of Jesus Christ have removed him from the darker looks of Jewish people of that time). As far as I can tell, most references to Sanguinus being blonde come from artistic depictions, rather than canonical text. Primarch 01:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken the liberty of removing the mourning suggestion, as it is purely fan conjecture and not really of relevance in the context of a wikipedia article. Primarch 01:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But it has been canon that he is blond. The Warhammer 40,000 universe, particuarly the Imperium, has many features similar to Roman traditions, so I feel that it deserves a mention. This isn't just speculation either, it seems to fit in quite with the situation, after all - he was in mourning at the time. I've re-added it for the time being; although I can see your point of view. Let's leave it until we come to a better decision - no need for an edit war just yet. The Haunted Angel ^{(The Forest Whispers My Name)} 09:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is, for it not to be yours or someone else's pet theory, you need to point out the relevant text in the novel that suggests the Roman influence on his hair. The only passage from Horus Rising I can find- " His long black hair was pressed down by the shawl of gold chain he wore across his head" suggest nothing of the sort. This is the only time GW or the author makes mention of his hair. They do make mention of ash on his cheeks and a refusal to wear ritual tears- why then would they neglect to mention his hair as another aspect of the mourning ritual? Yes, some elements of 40k are influenced by Roman culture. Some elements are also influenced by renaissance or Mongol or Viking culture as well- simply picking and choosing one influence to fit Sanguinnius' hair description is completely and utterly subjective. Especially considering the Blood Angels are not one of the chapters/legions typically influenced by Roman culture. This sort of thing belongs on a fan message board along with other personal theories, rather than an encylopedia. I'll put it to the wiki project and we'll see what other opinions there are on the subject. While you're at it, perhaps you can supply the relevant "blonde hair" references as well and we can cite them in the article.Primarch 23:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't bother putting it to the Wiki-project; it was specualtive to begin with and I thought about it then, but I decided to leave it in as it was the only plausable canon explination, but as you say there is no mention of it in the book. I'll remove the speculation. The Haunted Angel ^{(The Forest Whispers My Name)} 00:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't get me wrong- I think it's a nice idea- I just don't think it belongs in an article that should only really state what is, rather than express our opinions. Factual, rather than hypothetical, if you catch my drift.Primarch 00:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I completly agree dude. When it was first suggested I thought it may be a bit speculative, but it seemed to fit. Better off this way anyway. The Haunted Angel ^{(The Forest Whispers My Name)} 00:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While I like the idea of the mourning therory, I'm afraid its inclusion is proscribed by WP:OR which tells us that:"...any facts, opinions, interpretations, definitions, and arguments published by Wikipedia must already have been published by a reliable publication in relation to the topic of the article." So if it's not stated by GW or by a reliable 3rd party in a work about the subject of the article, we can not put it into the article. Cheers. L0b0t 15:07, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou, the situation has already been resolved... The Haunted Angel ^{(The Forest Whispers My Name)} 18:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aye, someone needs to be a fangirl/boy and ask the author(s) him/themselves on why they put that in. Though I also do like the idea of mythic licence up above - we always reckoned that the Primarchs all had an aspect of the Emperor within them, being essentially his children; I noticed that unless there were disctinct differences in natural appearance, like Magnus being red, Corax being albino, and possibly several more - the majority of these guys were all tanned with dark hair, fitting when you consider their father was essentially Turkish. (read too much of fluffbible recently...) Lady BlahDeBlah 21:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True, but the Primarch's still had some individuallity; including San's hair being blonde -- Horus rising is the only source I have ever encountered to state it otherwise. I even had to talk to a staff member in GW and forced him to check it up because he didn't believe me, lol. The Haunted Angel ^{(The Forest Whispers My Name)} 00:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chapter Master

Since it is mentioned that "Chapter" is a sometimes deployed sub unit of the Legions (although still larger than the 2nd Founding formations), it is not a "mistake". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.135.71 (talk) 17:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

The novels don't need individual articles at this stage. Few of them have more than a paragraph of prose, so we might as well merge them all here and retitle to "Horus Heresy (series)" or the like until they can be expanded. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Chris. They can all be merged into "Horus Heresy (series)". Cyberalien18 - talk 22h43, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Disagree with Mr Cunningham. Rather they are kept as is, and expanded on if needed. This continual merging and deleting of any and all useful info from the 40k pages is reducing the usefulness of the articles greatly. -Loke —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.154.84.2 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 8 April 2009

I didn't actually realise we already had a Horus Heresy (novels) article. I'll start work on a merge there. 217.154.84.2, that argument has long been concluded - "usefulness" is not a criterion for inclusion, and this isn't just a dumping ground for fictional content that people happen to like. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 17:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]