Talk:Hurricane Leslie (2018)

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Damage cost[edit]

I don't know if it should be mentionned because damage in France are indirect but they have been estimated at roughly 200 millions of euros : http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-eco/2018/10/21/97002-20181021FILWWW00056-inondations-dans-l-aude-des-degats-de-l-ordre-de-200-millions-d-euros-le-maire.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB1D:87E3:1100:8D7B:D2D0:60F3:25B3 (talk) 14:08, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Image for Leslie as an extratropical cyclone[edit]

I added the original image to this article which depicts Leslie at its peak intensity as an extratropical cyclone during that time frame.

@B dash: added this image which is Leslie shortly after becoming an extratropical cyclone.

@LightandDark2000: My question is, which do you guys prefer. I personally like the Original better as it shows the peak as an ET. FigfiresSend me a message! 04:18, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bermuda?[edit]

From what I can see of Leslie's track, it did not impact bermuda. I may be wrong about this though, I'm going to check the NHC's archive. Also I removed the US East Coast as being affected, because Leslie never came close to the East Coast. Remember....articles have to remain factual. GokuSS400 (talk) 20:25, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: After reviewing Weather.com's track of Leslie, I'm going to remove Bermuda as being affected as it was too far away, and no watches/warnings were ever issued for Bermuda either GokuSS400 (talk) 20:31, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It never affected the US or Bermuda directly, although it did bring high surf to the areas, it might be helpful to clarify, however I would remove your edits BananaIAm (talk) 18:10, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How long?[edit]

On the longest duration list for Atlantic tropical cyclones it shows Leslie as number 4. I’m just here to ask if this is true or not. Leslie supposedly lasted longer than Nadine of 2012. Does anyone have a scource for this claim? Swivel Here (talk) 17:54, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Things to do before GAN[edit]

  • Deaths need to be more detailed. The Portugal ones literally have nothing other than they died. The France ones need more detail as well. Details such as how people died, location, etc..
  • TCR should be added, but is not required. FigfiresSend me a message! 18:03, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I know this is late and probably doesn't matter, but the TCR isn't out yet so it can't be added quite yet. --YellowSkarmory (talk) 00:51, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Something wrong with Leslie's TCR[edit]

Seriously, what in the heck is wrong with the link for Leslie's Tropical Cyclone Report? The link ends up leading to a page with a message stating that "access is forbidden" (and this is the first time that I've come across something like this for any TCR page). Does anyone know what's going on here? Maybe someone should message one of the analysts at the NHC to notify them of this issue. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 09:48, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Lets wait and see what happens as the NHC website is in the middle of being redesigned to accomodate CPHC.Jason Rees (talk) 11:33, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Split the MH?[edit]

Withdrawn. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:42, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The MH of Hurricane Leslie is arguably one of the most interesting Met histories in the history of tropical cyclones. There is already a lot of info about the MH already in the article, and there could be more info added (the article isn't GA or FA). Additional info will make the article seem very long, and readers who are interested in only the MH can ready a different article dedicated to the MH. Readers who are only interested in the impacts and are semi-interested in the MH can read a sligtly shorter MH and the impacts. Comments? ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose The MH is one of the main reasons the storm has an article. A similar analogue is hurricane Kyle (2002), which had a separate MH article at one point, but was eventually merged back in because there wasn't much to the article outside of the MH. Another example is Cyclone Leon-Eline, which did have substantial impacts outside of its MH, but there wasn't really enough to split the MH. Sub-articles should only really be considered when the main article is too long (so more than 100 kb). Leslie isn't anywhere near that. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:59, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I have to agree with Hink here, Category:Meteorological histories of individual tropical cyclones is generally reserved for the extremely high-impact storms where leaving the MH in its entirety would actually make the article too long to navigate comfortably. Leslie's only at 37 kB with less than 13kB of prose, which is decent. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 16:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This entire article is literally JUST the MH. Other than being active for a ridiculous amount of time and causing moderate damage, Leslie did nothing. If it had caused more impacts, I would support a split, but as far as I'm concerned, I think it should stay the way it is.ChessEric (talk · contribs) 18:04, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose If this article is about 100-200s KB, then I might support the split. SMB99thx my edits 02:40, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA Review[edit]

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LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 17:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]


This article is very-well written. I found a handful of issues (mostly minor ones), but other than that, the article is a solid candidate for a GAN. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 17:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead
  • that situated over the northern Atlantic. Change "that situated" to "that was situated". Silly typo here.
  • The low quickly acquired subtropical characteristics. Link "subtropical" to subtropical storm.
  • Linked to subtropical cyclone. NoahTalk 18:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • just off the Portuguese coast later. Change "later" to "later that day".
  • Linked the appropriate section. NoahTalk 18:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • City, municipal, and the national government provided funds to repair damage to buildings as well as the forests and launch cleanup efforts. Add a comma after "forests" and change "launch" to "and also to launch". Also add "local" before "forests".
  • For the maximum sustained winds, you need to add a note specifying that these are 1-minute sustained winds, similar to the note on Hurricane Olivia (2018)'s article. Also, you need to add the corresponding "Notes" section to the article.
  • Don't need a note. I can just say they are 1-minute winds. NoahTalk 18:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Meteorological history
  • the system separated from the front and its banding features became better established, Add a comma after "the front".
  • Moderate vertical wind shear and dry air hindered the development of thunderstorm activity or convection outside the southeastern portion of the system as it tracked generally southwest. Add a comma after "system". Also change "southwest" to "southwestward".
  • Leslie weakened into a subtropical depression around 00:00 UTC on 25 September due to the continuing wind shear and dry air. Add a comma after "25 September".
  • Leslie became an extratropical cyclone around 12:00 UTC after its circulation expanded along a baroclinic zone. Add a comma after "12:00 UTC".
  • as it tracked south of west. This phrase here is awkward. Change "south of west" to "souhwestward". This wording is clearer and more concise.
  • As a result, Leslie became a tropical storm by 18:00 UTC on 29 September while it was located approximately 1,850 km (1,150 mi) west-southwest of Flores Island in the Azores. Add a comma after "29 September".
  • Banding features began to increase on October 1 as the wind shear subsided. Add a comma after "October 1".
  • Done and fixed date format. NoahTalk 19:06, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leslie continued a west-southwestward to southwestward motion over the next day or so while located in weak steering currents and positioned between high-pressure systems that were located to the west and northeast. Add a comma after "next day or so".
  • an eye at its low-levels. "Low-levels" does not need to be hyphenated here, since it isn't a complex word here.
  • and the storm only possessed small bands of convection. Minor grammatical issue here. Change "only possessed" to "possessed only". A lot of people make this kind of mistake (I still do from time to time).
  • Leslie turned towards the east from late 5 October to 6 October under the influence of mid-latitude westerly flow. Add a comma after "6 October".
  • Leslie bottomed out as a 85 km/h (50 mph) tropical storm at 00:00 UTC as it passed over an area of cool sea surface temperatures. Add a comma after "00:00 UTC".
  • Leslie began to restrengthen later on 8 October as an inner core began to develop and convection became more intense. Add a comma after "8 October".
  • Around that time, the storm's strongest convection was concentrated towards the north and an irregular eye had emerged on satellite imagery. Add a comma after "the north".
  • The cyclone began to proceed east-northeastward early on 11 October as strengthening continued. Add a comma after "11 October".
  • Leslie began to slowly weaken once more later that day as sea surface temperatures decreased to 23–24 °C (73–75 °F) and wind shear increased. Add a comma after "later that day".
  • Shortly after, Leslie began to transition to an extratropical cyclone as colder air entered from the south and west and the system's mid-level eye decayed. Change "transition to" to "transition into". Also, add a comma after "extratropical cyclone".
  • The NHC issued its final advisory on Leslie around 21:00 UTC on 13 October after the storm became fully extratropical. Add a comma after "13 October".
  • was assisted by Leslie. How so? I'm not sure if most ordinary readers will understand this phrase.
Never mind. I see the explanation immediately afterward. LOL. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 17:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Preparations
  • A tropical storm watch was issued for Madeira on 11 October at 21:00 UTC. Add a comma after "11 October".
  • Multiple flights were canceled on 12 October and all flights were canceled on 13 October. Add a comma after "12 October".
  • A 1990s themed party. "1990s-themed" should be hyphenated.
  • were closed on 13 October as Leslie approached Portugal. Add a comma after "13 October".
  • In Seville, parks were closed on October 13 as a precaution due to Leslie's approach. Add a comma after "precaution".
  • were all placed on orange alert due to the expectation of strong winds and flooding rainfall from the approaching Leslie. Change "placed on" to "placed under an". Also add a comma after "orange alert".
Impacts
  • Nearly 500 employees fixed 150 antennas which re-established transmission services. Add a comma after "150 antennas".
  • Done. 19:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Link Figueira da Foz at its first mention. You can remove the second link from later one.
  • cutting production of the resin Either specify which type of resin is being mentioned here, or modify "the resin" to just "resin". And also link to "resin".
  • The core trees of the forest, which had survived two wildfires and a major storm, was largely destroyed. I would mention the years when those natural disasters had struck (they are mentioned in the cited article).
  • six changing rooms experienced both internal and roof damage and a dishwashing station was destroyed. Add a comma after "roof damage".
  • Eight schools were closed in the municipality due a lack of water and power. Another typo here. Change "due a" to "due to a". Also add a comma after "municipality".
  • The power company EDP declared a state of emergency in Coimbra as a result of damage to electrical infrastructure. Add a comma after "Coimbra".
  • Link Mealhada at the first mention. You can unlink it from later in the section.
  • The roof of Maritime Police facility was lifted away and multiple walls destroyed. Change "and multiple walls destroyed" to "and the facility had multiple walls destroyed". Also add a comma after "lifted away".
  • A gas leak occurred at a restaurant. Change "occurred" to "also occurred". This makes the paragraph flow more smoothly.
  • Shipyards and a pavilion were damaged in Mealhada municipality and a cafeteria sustained damage in Alameda municipality. Add a comma after "Mealhada municipality".
  • Madeiria archipelago. Uh...Did you mean "Madeira archipelago"?
  • Over 200 mm (7.9 in) of rain fell in Montseny and 209.3 mm (8.24 in) in Viladrau. Add "of rain" after "(8.24 in)", and also add a comma after "Montseny".
  • The Albujón highway was closed in Cartagena due to the storm. Add a comma after "Cartagena".
  • 7.6 m (25 ft) high surf. This needs to be hyphenated. So, it should be "7.6 m (25 ft)-high surf".
  • Several roads in Carcassonne were either blocked by felled trees and cars swept away by floodwaters or destroyed. This phrase doesn't really makes sense and needs to be rewritten. Maybe "Several roads in Carcassonne were blocked by felled trees, and cars were swept away or destroyed by floodwaters".
  • Change "flashflooding" to "flash flooding", and link to flash flood.
Aftermath
  • in areas heavily affected by wildfires and Leslie,. "Heavily-affected" should be hyphenated.
  • was closed from 30 May–7 June, 2019, Remove the comma from after "7 June". There are no commas within the dates for the DMY formatting.
  • Fisheries near Figueira da Foz operated at below normal capacity through 2020 due to a reduction in Sardine supply that occurred after Leslie moved through the area. Add a comma after "2020".
  • on 27 November, 2018, Same issue as another one noted earlier. Remove the comma after "17 November".
  • Change "authorizing" to "authorising". The article uses British English, so this should be consistent throughout the article.
  • Despite repairs having taken place to the sports center,. Change "to" to "at".
  • after Leslie and a fire in 2017 destroyed most of it. Add "had" after "destroyed".
Source review
  • FN 53 - This citation should be marked as "dead" in the "url-status" parameter. The archived link works, though.
  • Yeah. Apparently, so. The original link wasn't working when I was reviewing the article, though. Which is just weird. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:13, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • FN 55 - The archived link works, but you might want to mark this citation as one that requires a subscription.
  • FN 120 - The reference title contains a typo. "He" should be "The".
  • Assuming you meant 112 since 120 is in Portuguese. NoahTalk 19:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

These are all of the issues that I have found. The article also seems to be close to A-Class status, so after it gets promoted to GA, it shouldn't take much work to get it to A-Class and then FA status. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 17:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio check

Final[edit]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    I am going to ✓ Pass this article. Great job! Congratulations on getting this monster of an article to GA. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 21:13, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling correction required[edit]

I've made a few spelling corrections throughout the article. Please could someone check the section "Initial peak intensity and weakening" - in the second paragraph, there's a line that reads "Convection rtiringed over the storm's center later that day" - however I can't figure out what "rtiringed" is actually meant to say. (Also, forgive me for being dumb, but why hasn't this been protected due to it being the featured article? Vandalism is a thing.) Jack talk 09:11, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jmtlr, I've just put in a request for semi-protection at WP:RFPP. The "rtiringed" was leftover vandalism and was originally "refired". ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 09:52, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Additional issues[edit]

The article says: "Multiple waterspouts occurred in the Gallic portion of France."

First, waterspouts occur in the ocean, so wouldn't it be better to say "near" France?
Second, what is the "Gallic portion of France"? Isn't all of France Gallic?

It also says "Collectively, €17 million (US$20 million) was paid in advance to claimants."

In advance of what? I'm sure no insurance company paid damage claims before the damage occurred.

--Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 11:32, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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