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Hype
No dictionary I have consulted confirms that "hype" comes from "hyperbole" (generally they say "of unknown origin"), so I remove and transcribe here this paragraph:
- In show business and in the political arena, hyperbole (known as hype or media hype) is the practice of spending money on public relations, or expending political commentary in an attempt to bolster public interest in (for example) a movie, television show, performing artist,[1] politician, or proposed public policy. Often the entertainment or political value of the thing being hyped is exaggerated. Consequently, hype (but not traditional, literate hyperbole) has a bad connotation.
as wel as this one:
- The modern slang term hype, in its usage as meaning extravagant publicity, may be derived from the word hyperbole. An example of the use of this slang term is in the 1988 song "Don't Believe the Hype" by the hip hop group Public Enemy.
Feel free to restore or use them if a source for the derivation of "hype" from "hyperbole" is found. Goochelaar (talk) 08:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- That's very nice, but now Hype redirects to this page without any indication for why this is so. The redirect should be deleted as well if we can't do any better than a dicdef. 212.178.108.2 (talk) 11:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I've seen it before, and I've seen very few places where it isn't derived that way. In fact, the first place I checked today gave that derivation. From Dictionary.com: "Origin: 1925–30, Americanism; in sense “to trick, swindle,” of uncert. orig.; subsequent senses perh. by reanalysis as a shortening of hyperbole." Sigma-6 (talk) 21:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
- OED separates the sense 'to stimulate' ("he's really hyped up") and the sense 'to short-change... esp. by false publicity'. For the first, it gives 'hypodermic' as the source (i.e. shot up with an upper), but for the second it says 'origin unknown'. They sound like closely related concepts to me, but what do I know? --macrakis (talk) 23:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Here's from some various dictionaries:
There seems to be nearly an ETYMOLOGICAL consensus.
hyperbole: American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/hyperbole ETYMOLOGY: Latin hyperbol, from Greek huperbol, excess, from huperballein, to exceed : huper, beyond ; see hyper- + ballein, to throw; see gwel- in Indo-European roots
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hyperbole Etymology: Latin, from Greek hyperbolē excess, hyperbole, hyperbola, from hyperballein to exceed, from hyper- + ballein to throw — ... Date: 15th century
This def seems a bit different: Cambridge International Dictionary of English http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/hyperbole a way of speaking or writing that makes someone or something sound bigger, better, more, etc. than they are The blurb on the back of the book was full of the usual hyperbole - 'enthralling', 'fascinating' and so on. ...
Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th Ed. http://www.yourdictionary.com/hyperbole Etymology: L < Gr: see hyperbola http://www.yourdictionary.com/hyperbola hyperbola definition Etymology: ModL < Gr hyperbolē, a throwing beyond, excess < hyperballein, to throw beyond < hyper- (see hyper-) + ballein, to throw (see ball)
Fair use; partial quotes, educational, linked.
Doug Bashford —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.128.255.108 (talk) 19:38, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
hyperbole
refers to statements that are exaggerated in a way that mind wll have to work hard to think what is really meant to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.212.62.20 (talk) 07:10, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Reliable source? --macrakis (talk) 23:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
EXAMPLES INCLUDE: I NEARLY DIED LAUGHING I WAS HOPPING MAD THE PATH WENT ON FOREVER I'M DOING A MILLION THINGS RIGHT NOW I COULD EAT A HORSE I WAITED CENTURIES FOR YOU
BY STACEY MCPHEE MARCH 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.226.39 (talk) 03:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Metaphor?
The Metaphor page says that a hyperbole is a type of metaphor. Shouldn't this article say so here ? Is "metaphor" a missing buzzword for this article ? --Jerome Potts (talk) 22:07, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
The Warning
you see,this wiki page has gotten a warning because it is not EXACT be more specific for younger people.66.188.65.111 (talk) 01:13, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Comments about the Catholic church and the pope
12.7.202.2 / 74.242.231.200 (probable sockpuppet of User:Mbhiii) keeps inserting an example that appears to be an attempt to insert his own politics into the article. It adds nothing to the definition here. 68.25.103.189 (talk) 21:30, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
- Hyperbole, by its very nature, produces a distorted view for effect, the more distorted, the more effective: "No, Pope Ratzinger should not resign. He should remain in charge of the whole rotten edifice – the whole profiteering, woman-fearing, guilt-gorging, truth-hating, child-raping institution – while it tumbles, amid a stench of incense and a rain of tourist-kitsch sacred hearts and preposterously crowned virgins, about his ears." - Richard Dawkins (The Catholic Church is suffering such problems of public relations that the Pope's continued tenure cannot hurt it.)[2]
- ^ Austin, Thomas (2002). Hollywood, hype and audiences: selling and watching popular film in the 1990s. Manchester: Manchester University Press. pp. p. 45. ISBN 0-7190-5775-2.
Even in an era well used to the mechanisms of film 'hype' — aggressive marketing, engineered controversy, press sensationalism
{{cite book}}:|pages=has extra text (help) - ^ Damian Thompson, "Richard Dawkins: Pope Benedict is 'a leering old villain in a frock'", The Daily Telegraph, March 28th, 2010.
What can be be a better example than this? Also, 68.25.*.* seems a wiki-stalking vandal who reverts my edits without reading refs cit. -12.7.202.2 (talk) 22:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
- The Catholic Church edit is a POV pushing, tenditious addition to the article. Hyperbole does not need to be POV, but wikipedia is not. Also, its not clear how hyperbolic Dawkins is trying to be. This adds nothing to the article. 68.25.103.189 (talk) 20:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.233.79.116 (talk)
- Although it has not always enjoyed protection under the law, the US Supreme Court now protects "rhetorical hyperbole". --"Rhetorical Hyperbole and the Reasonable Person Standard: Drawing the line between Figurative Expression and Factual Defamation", 38 Ga. L. Rev. 717, Winter, 2004. -Siparuna (talk) 19:31, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
- Looking like a sock gets it reverted like a sock. How about you make a proposal on this talk page that is inline with the guidelines and we'll see if it works.Cptnono (talk) 21:59, 19 June 2010 (UTC)