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No consensus for a move / possible merge with Rooting (Android OS)?

Hi User:Comp.arch! I see that you've moved this page to "Jailbreaking (iOS)", but this proposed move was closed as "no consensus" when it was discussed in June. I'd recommend moving this back and starting a new rename discussion if you like. (Also, it looks like those talk page archives weren't moved.) Dreamyshade (talk) 07:30, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

@Cuchullain: Hi, I'm sorry about that - I did check the Talk page and thought no move had been proposed (or opposed). Now that it's done and checking the "no consensus" I see ony one opposed and the book and quoted search citations are mixed. While, noted, there is a book "History of IOS Jailbreaking", I do not see that the (current (or possible title of merged page..)) WP title contradicts it. Not also the book "Iphone: History of the Iphone, Iphone 4, IOS Jailbreaking", should this be read as "iPhone Jailbreaking" (that happens to have iOS). I would think most/many iPhone users don't know or care that the OS name is iOS, they just want possibly to Jailbreak (run software on) their phone. Ok, most who do actually Jailbreak or want to probaly now it is iOS.. Then the quotes search "iOS jailbreaking" actually brought up only three mixed results for me: "iPhone jailbreaking: good or bad idea", "InfoWorld is so, so wrong about iOS jailbreaking", "Jailbreak iOS 7.1 Pangu, Untethered Cydia Tweaks & Evad3rs..." Leave title as is for now? Another entirely possible alternative is to change it to "Jailbreaking and rooting" and merge Rooting (Android OS) into it explaining similarities and differences. comp.arch (talk) 08:56, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, it's unclear what the best title is even when considering the evidence and the naming guidelines, so we didn't find consensus on moving it, which means that it makes sense to keep it as it was (as "iOS jailbreaking") and open a new rename discussion if you're interested in reviving the idea of renaming it. iOS jailbreaking and Android rooting are different enough that discussing them in separate articles makes sense. Dreamyshade (talk) 09:17, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
This move has disrupted the talk pages and archives. I've asked Jenks24, who closed the last RM as "no consensus" to move to this title two months ago, to take a look at it. My own opinion is the same as during the RM - that "Jailbreaking (iOS)" isn't a better title than the status quo IOS Jailbreaking, which is at least WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION, and the name should be restored barring a new consensus.--Cúchullain t/c 18:50, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know about this. I've reverted the move, but anyone here should feel free to start a new requested move discussion. Jenks24 (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

misleading information re jailbreaking & security

IOS_jailbreaking#Security.2C_privacy.2C_and_stability contains misleading information. The so-called worm, which is insufficiently-cited unless we have its source code, cannot be accurately characterized as a consequence of jailbreaking iOS. It relied on a third party developer's port of openSSH, and jailbreaking does not have to include providing that protocol.

Additionally, IOS_jailbreaking#History_of_exploit_fixes is a misleading section title, as the so-called "exploit fixes" could just as easily be seen as "exploit subjugation" ... If someone is not able to fix these (and several other) points of neutrality in this article quickly, we should consider labeling this article as biased. Please see my talk page if you're interested in working together to remove prejudice from this article.

Harlequence (talk) 10:09, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Meaning of row with question mark in table of jailbreaking tools

One can't figure out the meaning of the question mark in the last row of the last table (table of jailbreaking tools). IMHO it could either mean "there are these newer iOS versions but there is no working jailbreak yet" or "there is a jailbreak (or at least claimed) but not published" or even "there is a jailbreak but it doesn't have a name yet / name is not known yet". Can't we just make an annotation and explain it below? --S3rvus (talk) 16:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

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iPhone SE

The iPhone SE is missing in the list/table of devices. It is not yet jailbroken 2 months after its release. --S3rvus (talk) 09:55, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

 Done —Codename Lisa (talk) 09:54, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

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Gibberish

This is utter nonsense: "It is basically decrypting IPA stats cache by edit system structural program codes from ide:32/64 .prop files into based flash swamp files of fake codes and htm databases."

Either it's missing several key words and some punctuation, or it's nonsense. 81.132.224.214 (talk) 20:21, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Missing Jailbreak tools

Doubleh3lix and to.panga are missing from this list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.181.237 (talk) 20:03, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Cleanup/removal of the "history of tools" section

What value does it add to the page? It reads like a long list of tweets. I propose deleting, or heavily cleaning up the section to be more concise. Nullpixel (talk) 18:33, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Needs to be moved to iOS Jailbreaking

That is proper wiki capitalization.

Cydia Mutvannak (talk) 06:04, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

iPhone6 Mutvannak (talk) 06:04, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

10.3.1 Mutvannak (talk) 06:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

July 07, 2019?

"By device and iOS version, 2007-present" section has probably invalid date. _Vi (talk) 19:10, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

10.3.1 Mutvannak (talk) 06:08, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Jailbroken devices and tools list

Is there a better way that the information can be presented in the history of tools and devices? the current way doesn't work well. Wenetason (talk) 21:43, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

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Article title

@Eurohunter: I see you moved the article title recently from iOS jailbreaking. Is this something you feel particularly strongly about? It's not a HUGE deal either way, but I'd think the "prefer natural disambiguation over parenthetical disambiguation" principle would apply here, and thus the old title slightly better. If the concern is consistency, then it'd make more sense to me at least to move Rooting (Android) to Android rooting or the like. But maybe I'm just missing something? SnowFire (talk) 20:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

List of tools

Why do we have a list and tables of 45(!) tools that can be used to jailbreak iOS / Apple devices? This seems to be blantantly WP:PROMO. Natg 19 (talk) 00:59, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 16 September 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved back to iOS jailbreaking. There are multiple plausible descriptive titles, but this one had been stable long enough and there are no pressing reasons to favor any other over it. No such user (talk) 11:58, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Jailbreaking of Apple devices → IOS jailbreaking – This was the article's name for 11 years. It has been the name since a Move discussion 7 years ago determined there was no consensus to change the name which had then been in use for over 4 years. The name has been changed 3 times in the last 6 weeks without discussion and contrary to the last Move discussion; the reasons given are not valid WP:MOVE#reasons for moving a page. Yappy2bhere (talk) 18:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Procedural comment: iOS jailbreaking is the stable name, so should this RM result in "no consensus", it should default to the move as proposed. I am currently neutral on the merits of the case. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 19:04, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
* Comment: page moves, in reverse chronological order — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yappy2bhere (talk • contribs) 19:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Jul 2021-Sep 2021

16 September 2021 PhotographyEdits moved page Jailbreaking (Apple devices) to Jailbreaking of Apple devices (More natural title)
15 September 2021 PhotographyEdits moved page Jailbreaking (iOS) to Jailbreaking (Apple devices) (Jailbreaking can be done on move operating systems)
28 July 2021 Eurohunter moved page IOS jailbreaking to Jailbreaking (iOS) over redirect (disambugation name like Rooting (Android))

2014 Move discussion

16 September 2014 Jenks24 moved page Jailbreaking (iOS) to IOS jailbreaking over redirect (revert move that did not get a consensus)
9 September 2014 Comp.arch moved page IOS jailbreaking to Jailbreaking (iOS) over redirect (Jailbreaking (iOS), for consistency with recent Rooting (Android OS) and while iOS is technically jailbreaked, many would say iPhone jailbreaking.)
8 July 2014 Jenks24 →Requested move: iOS jailbreaking → Jailbreaking (iOS): closing discussion; result was no consensus

Jul 2009-Jun 2010

22}} June 2010 Epson291 moved Talk:Jailbreaking for iOS to Talk:IOS jailbreaking: weird name, getting rid of "for")
7 June 2010 JaJaWa moved Talk:Jailbreaking for iPhone OS to Talk:Jailbreaking for iOS: Renamed
7 April 2010 WikiRedactor moved Talk:IPhone OS Jailbreaking to Talk:Jailbreaking for iPhone OS: more straight foward than previous one
7 April 2010 WikiRedactor moved Talk:Jailbreak (iPhone OS) to Talk:IPhone OS Jailbreaking
17 July 2009 Psantora moved Talk:Jailbreak (Apple) to Talk:Jailbreak (iPhone OS)
1 July 2009 Hbdragon88 moved Talk:Jailbreak (iPod Touch & iPhone) to Talk:Jailbreak (Apple): perhaps "apple" is a better diambig than "iPhone" or the way-more-awkard "iPod Touch and iPHone"
1 July 2009 Lil Lez moved Talk:Jailbreak (iPhone) to Talk:Jailbreak (iPod Touch & iPhone): It is more connivent
  • Strong oppose moving it to any name that contains "iOS", as this is not WP:PRECISE enough. The subject has become broader in recent year. I don't have a strong opinion on the current title, it could also be Jailbreaking (Apple devices), but I think that the current name is a bit better. PhotographyEdits (talk) 14:06, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
In other words, any title is fine as long as it's yours.

WP:PRECISE is irrelevant. There's no suggestion in the article that any OS but iOS can be jailbroken. See iOS Jailbreaking#By device and OS for a list of jailbroken OSes. You moved this article twice in two days, first because Jailbreaking can be done on move operating systems, which is wrong, and then again to a More natural title. WP:PRECISE is simply a post hoc justification for what was merely a whim. Yappy2bhere (talk) 22:35, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

@Yappy2bhere You have changed the content of the lede during this move discussion and removed all the other operating systems except iOS, as seen here. If you want some sources, tvOS can be jailbroken, watchOS can be jailbroken and the T2 chip which runs bridgeOS can be jailbroken. WP:PRECISE very much applies here since the scope is broader. Also, please WP:AGF. This wasn't a post hoc case, I had that policy in mind while I moved the page (I just did not explicitly mentioned it). PhotographyEdits (talk) 13:28, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Every one of those "other" operating systems is iOS with a slightly different feature set. You can jailbreak them all because they are all iOS. Your claim that your new titles were more WP:PRECISE is utterly without merit. Yappy2bhere (talk) 17:12, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Just noticed this point which clears up the rationale for broadening the scope to "Apple devices". I think this issue could be addressed by moving to iOS-based jailbreaking or iOS-based device jailbreaking because the other operating systems (e.g. watch) are iOS-based operating systems. – wbm1058 (talk) 22:52, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. The scope of the article is limited to Apple devices running their mobile operating system iOS. For jailbreaking other Apple "devices" there's Hackintosh, Apple's Macintosh operating system macOS running on unauthorized computer hardware. The current article title is too broad as it implies coverage of both. An Apple device is simply an Apple Inc. product. This article is about jailbreaking iDevices. – wbm1058 (talk) 22:32, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. I would support Jailbreaking iOS or Jailbreaking iOS-based devices as that would improve search by making "Jailbreaking" the first word of the title. Searches beginning woth "iOS" are flooded with the several articles on iOS versions. – wbm1058 (talk) 22:52, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I have changed my opinion and I am okay with "iOS-based", since the other operating systems are indeed based on iOS. Jailbreaking of iOS-based devices would be my preferred article title, which is the most WP:PRECISE. Jailbreaking (iOS-based devices) might also work, since only the jailbreaking word is bold in the article. PhotographyEdits (talk) 18:20, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Support per comment above. Really any title can work, so use the long-standing consensus title before some undiscussed moves. This topic is clearly iOS anyway, not something like BSD Unix issues that would allow rooting of an Apple laptop. SnowFire (talk) 20:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Jailbreak iPhone 4

Abhay26 Can somebody please edit the page so that it shows that the iphone 4 has been jailbroken via jailbreakme.com cause it doesnt work for me. 15:38, 1 August, 2010 (Pacific Time)

SimonOrJ Actually, the very first firmware of iPhone 4 can be jailbroken via jailbreakme.com. 21:09, March 16, 2011 (EST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonOrJ (talk • contribs)

Cleanup tags

I attempted to remove these tags, and was reverted with a challenge to fix the issues first. However, per my original edit summary, there's nothing to be done. I'm arguing that these cleanup tags are not identifying a problem at all, so therefore there's no fix to be done.

  • Inadequate lead: The lead reads fine to me.
  • Overlinked: This is a real issue on other articles, but doesn't appear to be true here? It's not a sea of blue, all the links appear to be relevant, the same words aren't repeatedly linked.
  • List-to-Prose: This is inherently a request, not a problem. It's not a good request, though. According to it, things like the "Table of Tools" section should be turned into prose - but this is obviously content best presented as a list, IMO. Prose would be harder to read, not be sortable, harder to find relevant bits, and would read very awkwardly and repetitively. "On Date, iPhone version XYZ was jailbroken by the ABC app on firmware versions N to M." I don't think actually implementing this request would improve the article, so the tag should be removed instead.

@Yappy2bhere: Any complaints if I were to re-remove the tags? SnowFire (talk) 19:26, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Does the section "Digital Millennium Copyright Act exemptions" need updating?

The section "Digital Millennium Copyright Act exemptions" mentions that in 2012, iPads were not exempt from jailbreaking. It then says that in 2015, they became exempt. However, since exemptions are reviewed every three years, what about 2018 and 2021? Has jailbreaking continued to be upheld in the US? I've tried finding answers but have been unsuccessful so far. Does anyone know where to find the answers? If so, I can update the section with the relevant information. Thanks! —The Sackinator (talk) 15:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

JAILBREAK

What does jailbreak do 96.43.180.225 (talk) 02:35, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Jailbreak

What does jailbreak do 96.43.180.225 (talk) 02:36, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

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