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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Vami IV (talk · contribs) 02:51, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Opening statement[edit]

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@Epicgenius: aaaa I forgot to ping you! –♠Vami_IV†♠ 15:52, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Vami IV, no problem. epicgenius (talk) 16:30, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Kew Gardens 613: Finished my comments. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 12:22, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

  • Livonia Avenue Line[2]:129 This name only occurs once more in the article, with In August 1919, work on the Livonia Avenue Line was suspended [...].
  • Utica Avenue in Crown Heights and continues to New Lots Avenue in East New York. "Utica Avenue" and "New Lots Avenue" should be followed by "station" to distinguish them from the neighborhoods they're located in.
  • except for a short section above East 98th Street What neighborhood is E. 98th in?
@Vami IV: I am ready for more comments whenever you are. Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:12, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

  • This line was constructed as Route 31 Livonia Avenue Route. Too many "Route"s?
  • its locations was not yet decided upon. Were?
  • [...] the three bids were rejected June 22. On June 8, [...] I'm confused. Firstly, on June 22. Secondly, June 8, and not 28th?
  • A new contract for the construction of the line was awarded by the PSC on January 17, 1917. To whom?
  • Why is May 1921 after May 1922 in "Opening"?
  • [...] with a two-car train operating on back and forth along [...] Should this "on" be here?
  • "Expansion plans" feels incomplete. What was the result of the 1951 study? Why all the "would"s in the third paragraph?
    • @Vami IV: That article is all there is on the web about the study. I haven't found anything else. I dealt with the "would"s.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:47, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Did the US Dept. of Transportation approve the NYCTA's grant request? A "yes" is implied by the opening of bidding by contractors, but not outright said.
  • Paragraphs 3 and 4 of "Station renovations" both begin with As part of [the MTA's [year] funding program, funding was provided...].

Extent and service[edit]

GA progress[edit]

Article passes CopyVio scanner. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 12:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Images are free/tagged and relevant to the article. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 12:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References are reliable. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 12:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 00:42, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ... that steel contracts for New York City's New Lots Line were rejected, in part because the chief engineer hoped steel costs would go down?

Improved to Good Article status by Kew Gardens 613 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 19:53, 12 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

  • Nominated within 7 days of receiving GA status. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. I think ALT0 is going to be interesting to a broad audience, but the source (footnote 15) does not verify any of the facts in this sentence in the article: Three bids were submitted, but the Chief Engineer recommended that they all be rejected, because he hoped that the price of steel would stop rising rapidly and instead start decreasing. Instead, it just says that the city stopped the bidding process because it found it could provide the steel more cheaply. Perhaps you found these details in a different source? Images in article are freely licensed. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 16:15, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Yoninah: Thanks for pointing that out. This source, p. 110, does support the allegation made in ALT0, that the Chief Engineer was betting on the price of steel to decrease. But the Times-Union page says that the city found a way to acquire steel at a lower price. I have rephrased the article and hook accordingly. epicgenius (talk) 17:43, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Epicgenius: Thank you. I'm wondering if you could pep up the language in ALT0 (you could say "betting" or "banking" on steel prices falling), and also mention that three bids were rejected? I just think it needs more pizazz. Yoninah (talk) 18:03, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Yoninah: Thanks. I have modified ALT0 accordingly. epicgenius (talk) 18:36, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you. I'm going to suggest a tweak of ALT0a --
  • ALT0b: ... that during contract bidding for structural steel for New York City's New Lots Line, all three bids were rejected partly because the chief engineer was banking on steel prices falling?
-- and since I've had too much input in the hook wording, I'd appreciate another editor signing off on this. Yoninah (talk) 18:43, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Approving Alt0b. --evrik (talk) 14:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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