Talk:Independent lifeboats in Britain and Ireland

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Any more indie lifeboats out there?[edit]

I have found 35 out of the supposed 50 to 100 independents. Does anyone know of any more? Tony Holkham (talk) 23:35, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Make that 40. Tony Holkham (talk) 00:26, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Now 42 - I'm amending the lead to reflect that. Tony Holkham (talk) 14:32, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Up to 59 now. Tony Holkham (talk) 00:10, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dunkirk Evacuation[edit]

Are there any references to independent lifeboats being involved in the Dunkirk evacuation, either with their own crews, or after requisition? SovalValtos (talk) 11:17, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. Will need some research. Tony Holkham (talk) 12:04, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A quick look suggests only Ryde is old enough. Tony Holkham (talk) 12:13, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Funding[edit]

User:Slinkierbus268 added to Caister that it was a charity. It got me wondering how many are NOT charities. If most are charities then it would be better to note the exceptions. It says in the History section that ALL are funded by donations and legacies. What is the source for this? Are none part funded by local authorities?SovalValtos (talk) 12:23, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's true it would probably be better to mark the exceptions that are not charities slinkierbus268 — Preceding undated comment added 12:52, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have no strong feelings either way. There is a difference, though, between registered charity and funded by donations and we should be aware of that. Tony Holkham (talk) 13:02, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Had a check on the charity commision/scottish charity regulator website and all those listed in England, Scotland and Wales are registered charities. MilborneOne (talk) 13:20, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Duddon[edit]

It is not clear where this is. Cumbria or near Chester as the wikilink implies? SovalValtos (talk) 22:04, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To editor SovalValtos: The Duddon estuary is below Broughton-in-Furness in Cumbria. I'm not sure exactly where the lifeboat is based, but I'll try to find out. Apparently the website is under construction, rather than dead, but I'm not sure if there's a tag for that! Thanks. Tony Holkham (talk) 00:22, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Given the lifeboat is in Cumbria I am removing the Duddon wikilink to Cheshire.SovalValtos (talk) 06:26, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Would have helped if I'd read your original point properly. Thanks for fixing the Wikilink. Tony Holkham (talk) 09:42, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland[edit]

Beware of the site http://www.irishlifeboats.com/ which seems to be more of a fan or tribute site rather than anything official. See the disclaimer at the bottom of its page. http://www.iws.ie/rescue-services/community-rescue-boats-ireland-crbi.302.html seems to be a more reliable source.SovalValtos (talk) 13:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Adding images[edit]

I have been adding images, and hope to add more, but it could well be that some images added are not on target for the right organisation. One problem in finding images is that the categories in commons are not easy to follow to find what is required. If an editor with a better grasp of Commons cats could look at them it would help.SovalValtos (talk) 11:10, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

SV - it's excellent that you are finding these images. I find commons a bit like negotiating a maze in lead boots or looking for needles in haystacks and haven't ever got to grips with it. I wonder whether anyone has. T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:52, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The categories did not help much, so I started doing simple searches in the 'Search Wikimedia Commons' box and looking at the results that contained the text rather than categories. I will try to continue when I have time.SovalValtos (talk) 10:28, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
SV - I have studied the Ballyheigue image, but cannot see any evidence of a lifeboat; a slipway, though, I think. But a pic of the village is better than no pic IMHO. I've found a news article that substantiates the service's existence. Cheers, T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:27, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am giving up looking for images for now. Republic of Ireland ones seem particularly elusive. Maybe by leaving the image space blank rather than adding a stopgap pic it might encourage a local editor to get their camera out. One lives in hope.SovalValtos (talk) 09:30, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Blyth removal[edit]

I see that User:Rossh1 has removed Blyth [1]. Is there a reason to exclude defunct lifeboats? The term current is always a hostage to fortune so that is not a good way to go. I would prefer to see closed stations included with their closure referenced. "seems to have vanished circa 2015" is not sufficient as a ref IMHO.SovalValtos (talk) 03:36, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's difficult to prove non-existence, so maybe Blyth should be retained until proof (either way) can be found, though I have no strong feelings about it. As the instigator of this list, I didn't use the word "current", though its purpose was to cover that minority of rescue services not run by the RNLI so, by implication, current. It's a dynamic list, so if Blyth resurfaces, it can be found in history. Alternatively, as there is an RNLI Blyth, Blyth Rescue may go by an entirely different name now. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:05, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It was called Blyth All Weather Lifeboat until at least September 2016 (when the fund-raising cafe was on tripadvisor), when the boat went into private ownership and ended up at Wells-next-the-Sea (I photographed it there in I think 2018). Wells RNLI has this pic of it. After 2016, I cannot find any info on the rescue service (yet). Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:26, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The most recent Twitter entry is May 2018. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have replaced Blyth without waiting for User:Rossh1 to respond as they are an infrequent editor. See WP:RECENT there is little chance of frequent checking of all entries to check they are current.SovalValtos (talk) 21:36, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would be happy to see former independent stations included. They would need to be clearly marked as such, or perhaps they would need a new 'Defunct independent lifeboats stations' section? I doubt that we could ever be certain that the list was complete but that is no reason why we shouldn't try. Geof Sheppard (talk) 16:17, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NILA[edit]

Tony If you hadn't seen... https://nila.org.uk National Independent Lifeboat Assoc. MartinOjsyork (talk) 16:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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